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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2008 16:54:33 GMT
I thought it might be of interest to you all that there are plans afoot to abolish the separate C stock OPO mirrors at Wimbledon and return to having just one set of mirrors/monitors and two stopping marks, like at Ealing Broadway.
On Monday my train was used to experiment with lining up with the D stock monitors to establish the correct stopping mark for a C stock to use them.
I can't see the extra 20 yard walk being popular with the long suffering passengers - or the drivers for that matter!
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Post by chrish on Jul 11, 2008 17:04:25 GMT
There are a few drivers that have worked out where to stop to line a C stock up with the monitors at Wimbledon already. I have been shown where to stop to do it, but have never got the guts up to do it... too much fear of being wrong and opening doors whilst poking out of the platform, seeing as there is obviously no CSDE loop at this point!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2008 0:28:35 GMT
Then they'll take the old C stock OPO equipment out and some drivers will forget and need assisted dispatch...
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Post by chrish on Jul 12, 2008 13:58:08 GMT
Then they'll take the old C stock OPO equipment out and some drivers will forget and need assisted dispatch... Which will be fun given its a NR station! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2008 14:56:53 GMT
Where do you stop C stocks at Richmond and Ealing when sent to these locations as there are no C stock stopping marks at either.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2008 15:14:07 GMT
Ealing does have C stock marks (as do Mansion House, Tower Hill and Plaistow bay roads).
At Richmond, just hope you get routed into platform 4 or 6 so the platform is nearside when you leave!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2008 15:18:40 GMT
Ealing does have C stock marks (as do Mansion House, Tower Hill and Plaistow bay roads). At Richmond, just hope you get routed into platform 4 or 6 so the platform is nearside when you leave! I knew about the bay road C stock markers, I used them many times when I was on the H&C but I have never noticed them at Ealing. |
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Post by happybunny on Jul 15, 2008 13:59:29 GMT
Ealing does have C stock marks (as do Mansion House, Tower Hill and Plaistow bay roads). At Richmond, just hope you get routed into platform 4 or 6 so the platform is nearside when you leave! I knew about the bay road C stock markers, I used them many times when I was on the H&C but I have never noticed them at Ealing. They haven't always been there at Ealing, maybe only for the last 1 or 2 years. I remember when I worked on the platform there, whenever a C Stock train arrived, we had to give the second right. Although one day there was a very brave driver who guessed where to stop there C Stock in platform 7, and got it spot on ! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2008 21:17:47 GMT
The new stopping marks were brought into use today. Click for a pic of the one on platform 1: tinyurl.com/5x8eeoThey're a bit different from other C stock marks, being C|R within a diamond, a bit of a combination of previous types. |
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Post by Chris M on Sept 12, 2008 21:36:45 GMT
why "CR" - I don't imagine there will be much call for an R stock stopping mark at Ealing these days?
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Post by trainopd78 on Sept 12, 2008 22:10:52 GMT
why "CR" - I don't imagine there will be much call for an R stock stopping mark at Ealing these days? It basically stands for C Reversing mark  |
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Post by Tom on Sept 12, 2008 23:04:53 GMT
I can't see the extra 20 yard walk being popular with the long suffering passengers - or the drivers for that matter! I'm not so sure about the latter - it was the T/Ops H&S reps who had the issue with the old arrangement! Apprarently the 'C' stock mirror obstructed the view along the platform - I'm guessing this was from the T/Op's seat as it never seemed to be a problem when non-refurbs ran and the T/Op had to cross the cab... |
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Post by Colin on Sept 13, 2008 6:45:13 GMT
I suspect you're right about it being more of an issue since the D's were refurbed - certainly the C stock's mirrors get in the way and that's really the crux of the issue.
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Post by trainopd78 on Sept 13, 2008 19:35:08 GMT
Over the last 6 months or so, the H&S reps and management have been doing a review of all the mirrors and monitors on the line as many of them prevented the driver seeing the bottom corner of the leading sets of doors. The C stock mirrors fell foul of this and this is the solution for this site. I've noticed some of the cat B sites (Becontree and Dagenham East both E/b) are still yet to be rearranged.
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Post by tunnelrat00 on Sept 18, 2008 19:08:47 GMT
There always was separate stopping marks at wimbledon until a few years back when they were taken out due to passenger complaints about the extra walk to the C stocks...guess what's going to happen in a few weeks/months when they have to do the extra walk.....you couldn't make it up.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2008 19:44:26 GMT
My trainee has been getting a few strange looks from the passengers for stopping in the "wrong" place!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2008 18:59:06 GMT
I went to Wimbledon on Monday and travelled there on a C Stock, and it pulled up to the 'old mark' right by the fixed red lights, I noticed that the OPO mirrors for the C Stock were removed my question is... When this train left would the Driver have an assisted departure or would he have used the former Guards Controls whilst standing on the platform observing the doors to leave?
The train was in Platform 1 so there is a nice view down the train from the 'country end'
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Post by Colin on Sept 30, 2008 23:55:58 GMT
Well....
I can't say what actually occurred as I wasn't there and it wasn't me, but I can say that platform 1 is a category 'A' job. That means that OPO equipment present or not, if the driver cannot see the platform properly, he/she must have an 'assisted dispatch'.
The assisted dispatch could be provided by another driver - especially as Wimbledon is a South west Trains staffed station.
In terms of which buttons were used, it could have been either the usual ones on the desk or the former guards ones on the back bulkhead - depending on where the person carrying out the assisted dispatch is etc.
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Post by edmetrev on Oct 1, 2008 19:17:10 GMT
With regards to C stock operation to both Ealing & Richmond they are only routed into category B platforms. In the case of Ealing this is platforms 7 & 9 and for richmond platforms 4 & 6. This means that the T/Operators can self dispatch like any other cat B platform.
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Post by setttt on Oct 1, 2008 21:09:47 GMT
With regards to C stock operation to both Ealing & Richmond they are only routed into category B platforms. In the case of Ealing this is platforms 7 & 9 and for richmond platforms 4 & 6. This means that the T/Operators can self dispatch like any other cat B platform. Ealing Broadway has C stock stopping marks so any of the platforms can be used. Not sure if Richmond has them though? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2008 21:14:21 GMT
IIRC only platforms 7 and 9 at Ealing Broadway have C stock marks. None of the platforms at Richmond have them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2008 21:19:38 GMT
When working over Network Rail infrastructure, which I believe Wimbledon is, then surely the Network Rail "self dispatch" rule applies if no staff are available.
This was began to be "trained" on the Bakerloo a few years back when the job was getting shut down with drivers demanding the right at unstaffed NR stations and DMTs were going up in taxis to assist. It would be a lot easier with D stock too... On 72's the driver had to keep shutting down and going back to the single leaf guards' door.
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Post by setttt on Oct 1, 2008 22:20:14 GMT
When working over Network Rail infrastructure, which I believe Wimbledon is, then surely the Network Rail "self dispatch" rule applies if no staff are available. AFAIK those instructions only apply when the train is stopped at the normal stopping mark and the OPO equipment is defective, so the safest bet is just to get assisted despatch from another t/op. |
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Post by Colin on Oct 2, 2008 1:38:12 GMT
The Network Rail rules also only apply to the first train that comes across a failure of OPO equipment - all subsequent trains should non-stop the platform unless an assisted dispatch can be provided.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2008 6:03:43 GMT
Good point! My mistake.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2008 20:34:29 GMT
Just a though Colin, what would the unions think of drivers being made to Non-Stop at Wimbledon. I can see personal injury claims going thorugh the roof to start with...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2008 21:50:38 GMT
"Non-stopping" a terminus is not quite as daft as it first sounds! Trains could detrain at the previous station and run empty in and out of the terminus.
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Post by Colin on Oct 3, 2008 0:32:57 GMT
Just a though Colin, what would the unions think of drivers being made to Non-Stop at Wimbledon. I can see personal injury claims going thorugh the roof to start with... For starters I'd like to think drivers generally have the savvy to work out that being told to non-stop a terminus means 'run to & from out of service' as opposed to putting their train on the concourse  I don't see where you're going with Union comment though  |
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Post by Chris M on Oct 3, 2008 1:17:45 GMT
I think that the two statements are actually part of the same comment, rather than two separate ones. i.e. the unions wouldn't be happy with drivers being told to put their train on the concourse; personal injury claims being one reason that they wouldn't be happy. Although drivers should be savvy enough to work out what is really meant, it isn't obvious to the layman that, at least in this circumstance "non-stop" means "do not call at a station in service" rather than the literal "do not stop the train at a station" - at non terminus stations the two are (as far as a layperson is aware) identical. |
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Post by suncloud on Oct 3, 2008 6:54:42 GMT
Or in the case of faulty OPO equipmtent surely there's no problem arriving with passengers, but the driver would have to detrain and leave OOS...
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