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Post by louis on Jul 6, 2008 13:44:33 GMT
Can anyone tell me where each underground stock can go on the Underground? ;D I already know Sub-surface trains can't go in Tube Tunnels!  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2008 19:31:24 GMT
It may be worth you buying the latest Underground News, Louis (available in Ian Allan, Waterloo) There is a long article relating to where the different Underground Stocks can go  |
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Post by Oracle on Jul 6, 2008 20:04:17 GMT
Is the ban on SSL stock west of Northfields exclusive of the depot, i.e. stock can still run into the depot? I take it that they are not permitted to west of Boston Manor and thus cannot shunt back into the depot? The tube gauge bridges over Kingsley and Lampton Roads prevent running to Hounslow Central, although I am sure that the SSL detectors are still there west of Central?  |
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Post by c5 on Jul 6, 2008 21:46:07 GMT
Is the ban on SSL stock west of Northfields exclusive of the depot, i.e. stock can still run into the depot? I take it that they are not permitted to west of Boston Manor and thus cannot shunt back into the depot? The tube gauge bridges over Kingsley and Lampton Roads prevent running to Hounslow Central, although I am sure that the SSL detectors are still there west of Central? Surface stock can still run into Northfields depot if need be. I haven't seen any documents saying that Surface stock is prohibited west of Boston Manor, however on my last visit down there the gap between the track and the bridges didn't look too big! The Surface stock detector is still in position west of Hounslow Central station. |
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Post by Oracle on Jul 7, 2008 9:29:40 GMT
To my knowledge no work has been done to limit the gauge on the M4 bridge and all the others were originally to Surface stock gauge BUT as with the Rayners branch track could have been relaid in recent years. The D Stock tour was the last time Central was accessed by Surface stock and a lot could have been done to the track since then apart from the bridges.
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Post by uzairjubilee on Jul 7, 2008 16:46:15 GMT
D Stock
Is restricted from High Street Kensington to Egdware Road due to short platforms.
1995 Stock
Is not allowed to operate on any other lines because it may interfere with signalling equipment
1972
Is allowed to run empty on other lines if it is fitted with a tripcock and is then limited to a maximum speed of 30mph.
Can operate on the Piccadilly anywhere on the line. Although it can only enter the sidings at Arnos Grove and in Platform 1 at Cockfosters empty.
1992 Stock
Not allowed to go on any other lines without special approval because:
i)The stock may interfere with signalling equipment
ii)The stock is not normally fitted with tripcocks
iii)Of the small wheels meaning that the gearboxes could damage the negative rail
That is all I know of.
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Post by Ben on Jul 7, 2008 17:10:34 GMT
1972 tube stock is fitted with tripcocks; you mean 1967ts right?
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Post by Oracle on Jul 7, 2008 17:37:26 GMT
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Post by Ben on Jul 7, 2008 17:39:52 GMT
All stocks are (were) alowed to Stanmore, except platform 1. Gawd knows about the new platform though...
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Post by District Dave on Jul 8, 2008 6:36:32 GMT
I believe A60 Stock is prohibited from the south side of the Circle due to clearance issues.
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Post by Oracle on Jul 8, 2008 7:09:07 GMT
This sounds likely to me Dave as when a Mk 2 borrowed from BR as was, hauled by two battery locos ran the south side of the Circle on trials for a special, it was found to have fouled two platforms. A Stock I think has a wider gauge than all BR stock of the time.
Can empty A Stock still run down from Rayners Lane to Acton Town in theory, as used to be the case to acess Actown Works? I assume that the roof height was much the same as D Stock, and thus a low-speed pass under bridges would be required if it was not banned.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2008 9:15:43 GMT
I've heard that D stock is not normally allowed off the District and appropriately maintained parts of the Piccadilly, but that could be due to a feature removed at the refurb.
What are the differences between the two kinds of 1972 stock?
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Post by Ben on Jul 8, 2008 13:03:30 GMT
A stock seems fine to Acton (albeit at slow speed); there was a picture of it on the test track from a couple of years ago somewhere.
As for the 72ts, I think the only difference is that 72mkI is now considered not to be a passenger class.
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Post by District Dave on Jul 8, 2008 15:47:49 GMT
This sounds likely to me Dave as when a Mk 2 borrowed from BR as was, hauled by two battery locos ran the south side of the Circle on trials for a special, it was found to have fouled two platforms. A Stock I think has a wider gauge than all BR stock of the time. Can empty A Stock still run down from Rayners Lane to Acton Town in theory, as used to be the case to acess Actown Works? I assume that the roof height was much the same as D Stock, and thus a low-speed pass under bridges would be required if it was not banned. Yes, I certainly heard that (at the time) the A60's were the widest stock on any British railway. Yes, A60's regularly appear in Ealing Common depot when they are to be used on the test track in the South Ealing Area (if anyone's not familiar with it, have a look at www.trainweb.org/districtdave/html/on_the_test_track.html ). Transit under bridges between Rayners Lane and North Ealing is indeed done at reduced speed because of the raising of the track bed over the years. Mind, I've seen surface stock go under those bridges and it's not that close! |
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Post by Chris M on Jul 8, 2008 16:00:18 GMT
Are A, C, D (and S?) stocks the same height?
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Post by 21146 on Jul 8, 2008 16:20:15 GMT
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Post by Dmitri on Jul 8, 2008 21:37:39 GMT
Are A, C, D (and S?) stocks the same height? A, C and D are almost the same, according to this page (with A being the tallest and D the lowest). |
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Post by metman on Jul 8, 2008 22:38:15 GMT
No way! The A stock are the widest trains in England! If anything, the tube stocks are more similar!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2008 11:46:29 GMT
There's a big variation in width between A, C and D stocks, but (as Dmitri said) not in height.
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