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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2008 12:51:42 GMT
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Post by Colin D on Jul 1, 2008 13:36:49 GMT
Well done Darren, an amazing piece of work. I drove the '38ts on the Bakerloo in the early 70's, a nice heavy train you could feel, and a comfortable ride with the spring suspension . You certainly take after your Dad with a great eye for detail, I'm sure he would be very proud of the work you do.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2008 14:19:58 GMT
Thanks Colin,
I remember taking the 38 on the Bakerloo back in the early 70's going to Dollis Hill to visit my gran. I was only 6 in 1973 but remember the 38 ride well. Hence my enthusiasm for this stock.
BTW if anyone has a decent picture of the makers label on the front of the Westinghouse brake and one of the reverser key i could use as a texture please let me know.
Darren.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2008 15:58:30 GMT
Very impressive - even down to the detail on the floor slats!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2008 15:20:54 GMT
Oh my god........this is amazing! I can't get over the detail and textures on this, it is an incredible piece of work and I agree with the above, I imagine your dad would be chuffed with this! Well done on a fantastic effort, it's got to be THE best cab ever released.
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Post by astock5000 on Jul 2, 2008 16:21:24 GMT
I agree with the above 2 posts.
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Post by maxtube on Jul 2, 2008 18:01:16 GMT
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Post by tubeprune on Jul 2, 2008 21:01:25 GMT
CabDarren, what a superb job! 10012/11012 was a Picc unit for many years and I drove this train often. Of course there are some modern mods, like the speedo and the stabling light switch but it is a wonderful representation. There is, however, one serious mistake. The cab is clean!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2008 7:07:53 GMT
That's the one serious flaw with cab modelling. The dirt.
The green paintwork is such a small area on the actual texture that the dirt would show up as being to pixely.
But never fear, i will see what i can do.
BTW i posted this in the technical section aswell but wondered being an ex-motorman of the 38 if you could help on the opening up procedure for the 38 as we may be able to animate the possibilty. Is it
1. Lift isolator handle to open position.
2. Start Compressor
3. When Main Reservoir reaches working pressure, apply the e.p brake.
4. Release hand brake.
5. Insert reverser key and were ready for the off.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2008 11:35:20 GMT
I just had a little experiment with grubbiness. What do you think.   |
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Post by glasgowdriver on Jul 3, 2008 13:21:07 GMT
i had to take a 2nd look at this when i first seen the screen shots its like a photograph believe me your father would be very very proud of you mate well done
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Post by onetrain on Jul 3, 2008 16:08:13 GMT
That is one Brilliant Cab there Darren Keep up the Fantastic work  |
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Post by tubeprune on Jul 3, 2008 21:02:15 GMT
That's the one serious flaw with cab modelling. The dirt. The green paintwork is such a small area on the actual texture that the dirt would show up as being to pixely. But never fear, i will see what i can do. BTW i posted this in the technical section aswell but wondered being an ex-motorman of the 38 if you could help on the opening up procedure for the 38 as we may be able to animate the possibilty. Is it 1. Lift isolator handle to open position. This handle is the Driver's Brake Valve Isolating Cock (DBVIC) and it is key operated, using the reverser key. However, you don't touch this until you have inserted the control key into the control switch and turn it through 180deg. behind you. The switch is hidden by the cab seat in all of your pix. It looks like the TCCOS on the other side of the cab. No. Compressors are always left switched in. Step 2 is to insert the reverser key into the DBVIC and open it up. Remove reverser key, check head and tail light switches and insert key into reverser. No. ML air will already be charged. You open up and immediately apply some e.p. brake to hold the train. You now wait for the Train Line air to charge up (Black needle) to 65lbs (or was it raised to 70 some years ago?). Listen for control governor to click in. Only if the train was stabled, in which case the whole procedure is different. If you are just changing ends, check the guard has put up the right destination plate! Then wait for sound of doors closing. As doors close, depress handle, push key forward to FOR2, check starting signal off, hear bell and wind up! 6. Bend down to floor to reach tea cup....... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2008 7:13:57 GMT
Thanks everyone for your kind replies. They do make me feel proud of my dad and what i do.
Tubeprune, thanks for your reply and from what you have said i will model the control switch more accurately as we may need this. I take it the control key was inserted in the top where the slot is and rotated 180deg to the floor.
Where was the reverser key inserted into the DBVIC to open this? Although i wont be able to model that animation because we need it in the reverser, I'm just curious.
And can you tell me the procedure for starting from stabled as we will be able to start activities from in a depot and that would really create a realistic experience.
Thanks.
Darren.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2008 13:36:16 GMT
Where was the reverser key inserted into the DBVIC to open this? Although i wont be able to model that animation because we need it in the reverser, I'm just curious. There is a lug near the bottom of the brake handle mount in the space between the reverser barrel mount just beyoun the footrest. |
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Post by tubeprune on Jul 5, 2008 20:13:52 GMT
Thanks everyone for your kind replies. They do make me feel proud of my dad and what i do. Tubeprune, thanks for your reply and from what you have said i will model the control switch more accurately as we may need this. I take it the control key was inserted in the top where the slot is and rotated 180deg to the floor. Correct. The reverser key was inserted into a keyway mounted on the DBVIC spindle. Your pix show a handle where the key would be. In fact, the stocks were delivered with handles like all stocks before them but, during the war, someone decided that a saboteur might get into an unmanned cab and open a DBVIC to render the brakes almost useless, so they were converted to require keys. I don't think you want the normal train preparation process do you? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2008 17:45:16 GMT
I dont mind having the whole preparation process. I could see how far we could model it. The keys i don't think will be removeable though. So we could go something like this:-
1. Control key will already be inserted but can be rotated 180deg.
2. DBVIC will have to be opened without the reverser key because that will have to be in the reverser.
3. E.p brake can then be applied.
4. Handbrake can be released and were ready for the off.
Have i missed anything.
Darren.
Edit: Forgot the lights
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Post by tubeprune on Jul 7, 2008 14:13:16 GMT
It looks OK to me. Can you drop the deadman? This may seem an obvious question but I don't use simulators so I don't know how it would work?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2008 7:39:36 GMT
That's one thing i have certainly been pondering over. I can do it in the animation but I'm not sure wether it can be done in the sim yet. When i get some time i will make a movie in 3D Canvas of the simulated opening up procedure from stabled to see if I have it correct.
Are the compressors left on when the train is stabled in the depot?
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Post by tubeprune on Jul 8, 2008 12:39:38 GMT
That's one thing i have certainly been pondering over. I can do it in the animation but I'm not sure wether it can be done in the sim yet. When i get some time i will make a movie in 3D Canvas of the simulated opening up procedure from stabled to see if I have it correct. Are the compressors left on when the train is stabled in the depot? Normally, yes, otherwise it takes too long to get going. By the way, if you are in a shed, don't forget to take the lead(s) out! On a 38, you could put leads in on either side. Occasionally we got caught out. I was lucky. I missed one once but it was a warm day and I had the cab window open so I heard the trolley going along the rails as I started up, so I stopped and pulled it out before it did any damage. |
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Post by Colin D on Jul 8, 2008 18:35:31 GMT
No. ML air will already be charged. You open up and immediately apply some e.p. brake to hold the train. I thought if you applied the EP brake right away that it could cause the brakes not to fully release. I know when you made a westinghouse application in service, if you weren't fast enough moving the brake handle into the lap position the air would "mix" and you could get the brakes hanging on. Just can not remember if the same happened when opening up. |
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Post by tubeprune on Jul 9, 2008 11:06:04 GMT
No. ML air will already be charged. You open up and immediately apply some e.p. brake to hold the train. I thought if you applied the EP brake right away that it could cause the brakes not to fully release. I know when you made a westinghouse application in service, if you weren't fast enough moving the brake handle into the lap position the air would "mix" and you could get the brakes hanging on. Just can not remember if the same happened when opening up. Normally, you would not need to apply e.p. when preparing for service as the train was on the level. Even if you did, the Westinghouse would release OK. The problem with releasing the Westinghouse after an application was usually due to a triple valve piston sticking in the application position. The way to deal with this was to stop and shut down, forcing the blow down valves to reduce the brake cylinder pressure to less than 35lbs. This would allow the triple valve to be pushed into release by recharging the train line. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2008 8:05:57 GMT
I see Railsim have released some more screenshots of their 1938 Tube Stock for the IOW line. www.railsimulator.com/en/downloads/rendersThe cab looks good but i definately prefer mine. There looks to be to many bits missing now on the modified version.  |
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