Circles to Go

If you read my post, I said extend the siding for higher speed entry. Currently the length and possibly the curve radii through switches requires a low speed entry. A faster entry speed would shorten the platform reoccupation time between the train going into the siding and the train behind, thus increasing capacity.

If LU keep taking away tipping out staff, then they are not going to achieve higher frequencies on lines where tipping out occurs. So they are just shooting themselves in the foot!

If LU keep taking away tipping out staff, then they are not going to achieve higher frequencies on lines where tipping out occurs. So they are just shooting themselves in the foot!

Late night tipouts at Harrow take forever now.

Now, to get back to the original thread, after it was high-jacked. I did start to read the entire thread but my eyes started watering after page 6 so i've abandoned the idea. Just to add my half-cents worth.....

Make a new line running from Edgware Road to Aldgate via the bottom half of the Circle and call it "Broadway Line. ;D
Tower Hill and Aldgate would need modifying of course.

(Stands back waiting to get shot-down)

Don't you just hate the fact that some more long-term thinking in the 19th Century could have saved us so much hassle for centuries to come! Imagine if the Met and MDR had laid four tracks instead of two, with some six-platform stations for terminating. Probably could have avoided needing Crossrail as well. Shame really.

True, but no one could of predicted the levels of passengers when the system was being built.

Maybe, but it is probably better to open up new journey options, rather and increase capacity of those existing.

Yes,I think there was! About the year 2000 (help me here someone!) it was discussed in parliament.
The idea was mooted that,instead of Crossrail,whose projected costs were becoming frightening,it was proposed to run Paddington suburban trains over the Northern Circle,and through a (re-instated) link from Liverpool St Met to Liverpool St GE.
The Met end of the alignment is still there and,although obscured by later building,still visible.The other end was presumably destroyed during the re-development of the mainline station of the 80s.This has been discussed in an earlier thread.
The problem was the obvious one.....the Circle is overcrowded and complex,and pathing the service frequency required would be a nightmare.
Additionally,there was the question of which method of electrification to use.Not as simple a decision as one may think.
The idea was briefly floated and then vanished as soon as its drawbacks became apparent.
This was,of course,one of the original purposes of the Inner Met,but as has been said,population and traffic growth,unforseen in 1860,have left us with the situation we have.
An attempt to ameliorate this situation,as well as to provide yet more route possibilities,with the goal of a "London Hauptbahnhof" at Farringdon Street,was made by the building of the City Widened Lines (clue in the name!) which represent an underused potential,in my view.
As they curve sharply North under St.Pancras station,there was planned,and I believe stub tunnels were built (anyone know for sure?) to carry on under the Euston Rd,parallel to the Met with the initial aim of connecting with the L&NWR lines at Euston itself.
They would then have proceeded along toward Paddington.
If this were done,there would be a Mainline connection to nearly all the Northern routes out of London,as well as a goodly proportion of the Southern ones.
The tricky bit would be getting the CWL beyond Moorgate,and this is probably the stumbling-block of any such scheme.

Thanks Harsig!! I didn't know all that.It makes perfect sense.This is why I subscribe to this board!!

the T cup service was tried out a while ago and failed miserably . if lul management bring it in again it will fail again ,
passengers do not want to hump their bags/ suitcases across the bridge at edgware road which i am told is not strong enough to hold the increased amounts of passengers that would have to use it and the person who said in the earlier post of this thread about so many trains reversing there is absolutley correct, it will be a nightmare , management only want it in so as to stop the current late running on the present circles,
if it is brought in again then great, the service will be completley screwed every day the edgware road signalpersons will be tearing their hair out and i will get out of even more work than i do at the moment , suits me fine !!!

i am not familiar with the covered way experiment .
I have heard many rumours about things that are supposed to be happening in the not so distant future, ie. us h&c drivers taking over the e rd to wimbledon branch, ive also heard the met main is supposed to be going thourgh to barking and the district going through to uxbridge . watch this space lol

The Mets to Barking won't happen.

This section was unused until the 1920s when a connection was made from the Circle tunnel between Euston Square and Kings Cross. This allowed trains from the Outer Rail Circle to use the City Widened Lines to reach the bay platforms at Moorgate without crossing the Inner Rail Circle line on the level.

Ahhhhhhh!! Right, thats makes sense, I originally thought that the now Thameslink lines that go from KX to Moorgate were originally built for the old BR local service (class 31s). I didn't know it was part of the Circle line.

As far as we know the Mets to Barking is not going to happen, but this is LUL and anything can happen.

The biggest problem for the central area are trains reversing, this causes delays and problems. Just one incident can have the whole section at a standstill. The reversing at Aldgate is a big achilles heel and if the old tunnel at Liverpool Street could be re-connected to the Mainline and Mets sent to Stratford to reverse, that would take alot of the pressure off the central part.

Not the experiment but the actual CW12/58 works.

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the proposed t-cup service, or like the management like to call it the extended circle,will be in the next timetable change next december.so here goes for a load of service disuptions and confusion with both customers and staff alike !!!!!!

So 12 months? Somebody start the countdown clock! The fact that the Met wont take over the Barking service is a odd one. Surely a Met from Uxb would pass through exactly the same number of flat junctions as one from Oly, Wimbledon or Richmond, and one less than from Ealing? And two less than a District Uxb service! Also the platforms from Aldgate East to Upminster are long enough for a fully birthed 8car train so an increase in capacity would be accomplished?