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Post by superteacher on Jan 15, 2008 23:05:28 GMT
I know we've discussed the issues of non LUL staff asking for cab rides, and that it was said that "it generally doesn't happen." I suppose I was lucky a couple of years ago when during a signal failure, I went and chatted to the driver, and he invited me in for a ride (line and depot withheld to protect the innocent . . )
Anyway, last Saturday I was somewhat surprised to see that after a crew change, the next driver was heading to the cab, accompanied by a child of no more than 10. I am assuming it was his daughter or another relative, by the way she was acting towards him. Are drivers allowed to do this kind of thing? Again, line and crew depot withheld to protect the innocent, but there are some on here who work there . . .
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2008 23:09:47 GMT
It can be done...with permission. Edited to add - not a child but when I was a driver I got permission to take my mum for a cab ride with me
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Post by londonstuff on Jan 15, 2008 23:38:59 GMT
Before anyone else gets in there first, if there are any bored drivers on here, sitting at a red light during a signal failure, I'd love to get a ride in a cab(!) I noticed on eBay before Christmas that a cab ride on the Jubilee line (for charity) went for over £300 - I can't afford that, but I'm very generous with packs of beer haha! On a similar subject, having only recently moved to London, I've noticed on a couple of websites of people's photos, there was a jubilee line to Charing Cross and photos of Aldwych - are these one-off events generally open to enthusiasts - if so, where are they listed? Thanks in advance (and my eternal gratitude for a 1 station ride in a cab!)
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Post by Oracle on Jan 16, 2008 8:13:14 GMT
I would just like to mention that this has been discussed previously, and unless there is specific authority given, it is against the Rules to carry unauthorised people in a cab and the train operator could face disciplinary proceedings. I wanted to get an authorised trip on a Northern transfer from Acton Works once and had to go and see the Engineering Manager with a genuine reason. I never did get the trip done!
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Post by Colin on Jan 16, 2008 9:38:32 GMT
I think we all know the rules by now - and that the forum admins discourage any members approaching our professional train operators - but that said, it is indeed possible to arrange special one offs.
This can be through a charity auction via eBay (usually connected to raising funds for the museum) or perhaps a really special treat for a person with a serious illness that's also interested in LUL. As tfc says, even family members may be able to get an 'experience' day.
But the bottom line in all cases is that management do have to be approached and their permission sought - and there should be a justifiable reason too - otherwise a train cab would never have just one person in it!
Reminder to all - if you are in a cab and you are not an authorised person, you are putting the train operators job at risk (regardless of whether they choose to invite in). Please consider that fact.
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Post by Tubeboy on Jan 16, 2008 9:43:51 GMT
Whilst I agree with you COLIN, the onus is on the T/op to say no in the first place. You say if a person is in the cab, it should not have got that far IMHO.
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Post by suncloud on Jan 16, 2008 11:25:38 GMT
Malteser moment... When I first read the thread I thought Superteacher was talking about rides in a staff taxi! Oops...
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Post by Tomcakes on Jan 16, 2008 11:38:57 GMT
Quite, I agree with both Colin & LTB. It is irresponsible to ask, yet it is more irresponsible to give someone permission. "No" is quite easy - or "No, sorry, it's against the rules" if you like.
By the sounds of it there are occasionally days organised for charity or for people who write in to people up high, but the asking-a-driver-at-crew-change method isn't the way it's done.
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Post by railtechnician on Jan 16, 2008 11:54:42 GMT
Of course it is harder to know who is entitled to be in the cab these days unless the rules have changed since I retired. When I was first required to ride in train cabs as a Comms Equipment Technician to deal with train radio, tunnel telephones and stick telephones I was issued with a cab permit to verify my authority. When I became a signal Technical Officer the issue of cab permits was discontinued on the basis that my tools and overalls identified me as an authorised person and of course I would often be alighting in unusual places like the platform at Down Street as well as the more obvious foot down on the neggy from the front of the cab in a tunnel!
I can certainly remember attending signal failures having to share the cab with others once or twice who were already in situ and who perhaps had less reason to be present !
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Post by Oracle on Jan 16, 2008 12:09:28 GMT
"JUST SAY NO"!
There should be a sticker on the cab doors "PLEASE DO NOT ASK FOR CREDIT, sorry CAB RIDES, AS REFUSAL OFTEN OFFENDS". I would not like any of my kids risking somebody's job by asking. My rides, 30 years or so ago were with personal friends and on invite. I felt embarrassed then as I do looking back, as to refuse an offer was likely to upset. It was however nice to be invited over the PA from your pal to "Come up front" on your morning commute to work!
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Post by londonstuff on Jan 16, 2008 15:46:42 GMT
Oh dear! My post was rather tongue-in-cheek, and I didn't seriously expect anyone to say yes - it was really a post expressing my desire to have a cab ride (i.e. wouldn't it be great), rather than an ask. The thanks in advance bit was for info about the special services, to places like Charing Cross/Aldwych. Sorry if I've offended/annoyed anyone, that certainly wasn't my intention.
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Post by Tomcakes on Jan 16, 2008 17:00:50 GMT
Charing Cross is in use for reversing trains during service disruptions, and Aldwych is used for occasional filming etc work. There did used to be Aldwych tours, but for some reason - it may have been H&S a*** covering - they were stopped.
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Post by c5 on Jan 16, 2008 19:19:13 GMT
Charing Cross is in use for reversing trains during service disruptions, and Aldwych is used for occasional filming etc work. There did used to be Aldwych tours, but for some reason - it may have been H&S a*** covering - they were stopped. Aldwych is hardley ever used for filming nowadays, as more nowadays filming is the norm, Charing Cross is ideal. Aldwych is however used by the police for training and that is one of the reasons why there are no tours.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2008 20:02:40 GMT
I've never asked for a cab ride, and the few I've had have been invites from drivers.
Some cab rides I have had in the past: Holborn - Aldwych, Ongar - Epping, Mill Hill East - Euston. All of these were a long time ago, back in the days when the ES were not hounding LU over H&S issues.
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Post by Colin on Jan 16, 2008 20:12:23 GMT
Of course it is harder to know who is entitled to be in the cab these days unless the rules have changed since I retired. The recently updated rule book is quite clear - and each driver now has a personal copy, so there are no excuses I did post the relevant bits directly from the rule book once before - as they're still on my Photobucket account, I don't see the harm in re-posting them: Sorry if I've offended/annoyed anyone, that certainly wasn't my intention. No one's offended or annoyed! ;D ;D Timely reminders every now & then just keeps every one 'on the ball'
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Post by superteacher on Jan 16, 2008 23:16:22 GMT
Yes. rules are rules and there are reasons for them. Management have bent them in the past - the last day of Epping to Ongar was great - managers, driver and public alike were in the front of the 1960 stock on that day. It was a one off special occasion, and it was all done very well - although I shudder to think how many were in the cab at one time!
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Post by railtechnician on Jan 17, 2008 2:59:05 GMT
Aldwych is however used by the police for training and that is one of the reasons why there are no tours. Yes of course and they are not the only ones who train there! Also the signalling in the branch has not been maintained for several years now and has been locked out of commission as have other systems. trains can only enter or exit the branch when a signal lineman is present to throw the points whcih can only be thrown 'on the ground'.
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