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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2008 18:58:06 GMT
When I was passing the depot at Barking earlier today, Sunday 8th July, I noticed that a D stock had been seriously covered in graffiti. When and where did this happen, and were they caught?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2008 20:29:15 GMT
When I was passing the depot at Barking earlier today, Sunday 8th July, I noticed that a D stock had been seriously covered in graffiti. When and where did this happen, and were they caught? Probably right there in Barking SDGS... Major problem area for vandalism... Perpetrators just will not learn until they meet their maker. July already? Sheesh, the month of June absolutely flew by! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2008 20:50:06 GMT
Sorry senior moment! Of course it is still June
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Post by Colin on Jun 8, 2008 23:45:19 GMT
And a second senior moment - it was a C stock not a D! ;D ;D That particular train had been there since.....well, possibly before the WW2 bomb chaos earlier in the week - one C stock on a saturday never leaves Barking sidings, and this was that train - when I saw it saturday evening, it was untouched. Passed it today (sunday) and the result was as you observed, 5 cars fully covered on one side. Aside from the lessons that clearly haven't been learned since the double one under last year, just what the hell were the security guards doing saturday night? Given the amount of damage done, security must have been asleep - I'm no expert but it certainly looks to me like a good couple of hours worth of spraying
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2008 2:11:55 GMT
They get in through the fence near the shopping centre on the c2c side. c2c are really lax with removing graffiti, and fixing fences and in the case of Barking it's LU who pay for it.
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Post by happybunny on Jun 9, 2008 3:51:06 GMT
They get in through the fence near the shopping centre on the c2c side. c2c are really lax with removing graffiti, and fixing fences and in the case of Barking it's LU who pay for it. That would be Network Rail's responsibility wouldn't ? Rather than c2c's
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Post by rayb on Jun 9, 2008 8:15:20 GMT
I went past this train yesterday - having seen it, it must have taken hours to do. I'm also thinking that some sort of access equipment (ladder/raised platform) was used as the paint went quite high.
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Post by happybunny on Jun 9, 2008 14:19:03 GMT
A train in EACDT was also hit I noticed Sunday morning (19 road I think)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2008 18:28:04 GMT
Having espied this train whilst with Colin, I was shocked and appauled by it !
Ladders must have been used as 5 of the cars were totally covered from sole bar to cant rail including all the glass.
At first glance I thought it was a new Olympic train as each car was a different colour. As Colin says where were security !!
The main location for D stock suffering is bizarely Richmond platform 7 and I don't mean overnight !!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2008 18:38:51 GMT
They get in through the fence near the shopping centre on the c2c side. c2c are really lax with removing graffiti, and fixing fences and in the case of Barking it's LU who pay for it. That would be Network Rail's responsibility wouldn't ? Rather than c2c's You may well be correct, tbh I hadn't thought about it. Upton Park disused platform wall is another example of their lax approach, the graffiti has been there for weeks giving the scroates free publicity which they crave.
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Post by chrish on Jun 9, 2008 19:46:08 GMT
At first glance I thought it was a new Olympic train as each car was a different colour. As Colin says where were security !! It was a similar incident that lead to replacing the security team at PG as I understand it. They are supposed to do regular checks around all the sidings, but it was a local resident who contacted the police to report people graffiti-ing a train. When the police phoned the security guard, the response was disbelief. I think the SS finally went and checked dragging along the security guard to find a vandalised train. Ended up with a heavy revamp of security. Maybe this is needed at Barking...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2008 22:38:17 GMT
If it was a C stock, I think it may have been one of the 2 that were stabled in Moorgate bay road on Saturday evening because of engineering work between Edgware Rd and Hammersmith.
As there was no access to Hammersmith Depot throughout Sunday the train was sent to Barking for a changeover.
It would also explain the amazement of ladders as the added use of a platform gives these 'artists' the extra height required.
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Post by Colin on Jun 10, 2008 0:18:14 GMT
Whilst what you say may well be the case, the train was 'done' on the side which would have been out of public view at Moorgate - so in essence the train would have been better placed there - in the position it was at Barking, it was more easily viewed from any passing westbound train.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2008 14:05:25 GMT
Whilst what you say may well be the case, the train was 'done' on the side which would have been out of public view at Moorgate - so in essence the train would have been better placed there - in the position it was at Barking, it was more easily viewed from any passing westbound train. Having checked, the train was indeed vandalised whilst outstabled at Moorgate, along with a second train. It was moved to Barking owing to the engineering suspension towards Hammersmith and because the cab glass at the West End was also affected. It may have been better to have taken it through to Upminster, mind you ! Also raises questions as to how the vandals knew there were Moorgate outstablers that night ? !
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Post by gypsy78 on Jul 24, 2008 5:28:05 GMT
How could they get into Moorgate station?
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Post by District Dave on Jul 24, 2008 8:17:58 GMT
How could they get into Moorgate station? Where there's a will there's a way! You'd be amazed at how the vandals get around the system and - no - details will NOT be given here!!
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Post by uzairjubilee on Jul 25, 2008 10:35:55 GMT
I saw a C Stock train vandalised last week and then two more. It's awful
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Post by SE13 on Jul 25, 2008 15:01:58 GMT
It amazes me why people do it. The chances are, it will be cleaned off anyway, thus rendering the "work" a waste of time. Not to mention the risks run, and the potential punishment.
Each to their own and all that, but if people are daft enough to even attempt to break into railway areas, let alone hang around, committing criminal offences, then they have no-one to blame but themselves when the consequences hit home......
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Post by 21146 on Jul 25, 2008 23:05:10 GMT
It amazes me why people do it. The chances are, it will be cleaned off anyway..... I hope so but the train I saw today had "TOX07" plainly visible under the black 'stripe' so they'd made a good job of cleaning that last year.
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Post by tubeprune on Jul 26, 2008 8:16:57 GMT
I rode on 4 C Stocks Thursday and all were damaged. Every other one I saw was also damaged. One had a unit which had been damaged but an attempt had been made to clean it. Unfortunately they scrubbed down to the bare aluminium. It's time to use transfers instead of paint! Anyone know why they haven't yet? Is it to do with the fire load?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2008 9:51:18 GMT
Transfers were tried on the prototype D stock refurb and they were peeling at the edges after a couple of months.
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Post by Chris M on Jul 26, 2008 17:24:55 GMT
has any attempt been made with a sacrificial (sp?) transparent transfer that can protect the paint below and also be changed easily (and hopefully cheaply)?
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Post by SE13 on Jul 27, 2008 9:18:28 GMT
has any attempt been made with a sacrificial (sp?) transparent transfer that can protect the paint below and also be changed easily (and hopefully cheaply)? Hmmm, something like cling film, but better. That's actually quite a decent idea. I would imagine ripping that sort of thing off, and replacing it, would be a whole heap cheaper than the current cleaning and/or respraying process. Head to the patent office!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2008 10:43:17 GMT
Sacrificial transparent film is used on the glass in D stock refurbs to prevent scratched graffiti.
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Post by edwin on Jul 27, 2008 17:34:50 GMT
Has it been successful?
I'll certainly check next time on the District line to see if the windows are scratch-free...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2008 22:27:37 GMT
Yes. No anti-graffiti measure is 100% effective, but you don't see carriages with every glass surface well and truly etched like you used to.
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Post by gypsy78 on Jul 29, 2008 3:05:53 GMT
If the tunnels werent so dusty a good idea could be using vasiline as a protective coat, spray paint cant dry on vasiline, so any tags would just crack up and could be wiped off with a cloth, but it would cost a fortune, a small pot from my local chemist costs £1.70, now imagine how much it would cost to grease up the entire LUL fleet!
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Post by gypsy78 on Jul 29, 2008 3:09:32 GMT
It amazes me why people do it. The chances are, it will be cleaned off anyway, thus rendering the "work" a waste of time. Not to mention the risks run, and the potential punishment. Each to their own and all that, but if people are daft enough to even attempt to break into railway areas, let alone hang around, committing criminal offences, then they have no-one to blame but themselves when the consequences hit home...... Criminals prefer to leave no trace at the scene of the crime, but graffiti bandits like to write their name in massive letters, which makes it more confusing!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2008 16:56:55 GMT
Transfers were tried on the prototype D stock refurb and they were peeling at the edges after a couple of months. c2c use transfers on all of their trains and the transfers don't seem to peel off, so it doesn't seem to be down to the transfers, only the application and maintenance.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2008 20:07:26 GMT
but why is it always the c stock that are being tagged? I watched some videos of the district/circle from the 80's I saw clean d stock and completley covered c stock
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