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Post by hotelinspector on Jan 2, 2008 22:27:48 GMT
Two more random questions: 1) Once a T/Op for LU, how easy would it be to transfer to an alternative line? Can transfers be applied for internally, or would T/Ops have to wait for recruitment etc. 2)Are there any links/posts relating to 'groups' of stations? It has been mentioned a few times that stations are grouped together with regards to management structure/hierarchy etc... is this available to see?  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2008 22:38:01 GMT
Things might have changed since I joined, but I think you have to do 12 months as a T/Op before being alllowed to apply for a t/f to another depot. It's all subject to vacancies being available; one example was Rickmansworth, which apparently did at one time have a waiting list 7 years long... Upon transfer, you'd need to do 12 months, because a lot of work goes into planning these transfers. So it's wise to think carefully; travel time from home etc. Don't transfer just because 'you like the rolling stock more' as the novelty of it will wear off after a while, especially if your travel time to/from home increased by 30%.  Maybe our 'stations side' members can give more info on the exact grouping; my brain is like a sieve these days! ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2008 22:39:57 GMT
Two more random questions: 1) Once a T/Op for LU, how easy would it be to transfer to an alternative line? Can transfers be applied for internally, or would T/Ops have to wait for recruitment etc. 2)Are there any links/posts relating to 'groups' of stations? It has been mentioned a few times that stations are grouped together with regards to management structure/hierarchy etc... is this available to see? 1) Yes once you are in the grade you can put in to transfer to any depot. You have to wait a year first before you can apply for transfer, and then you go to the bottom of the waiting list for your preferred depot. You can nominate for more than one depot, but if you get one of your nominations then the others are cancelled. Drivers can also do a mutual exchange of locations. Once you have transferred you have to wait 12 months before you can nominate again. 2) I'm sure I've seen a post somewhere on here with this info, perhaps someone else can help??? |
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Post by c5 on Jan 2, 2008 22:42:30 GMT
Two more random questions: 1) Once a T/Op for LU, how easy would it be to transfer to an alternative line? Can transfers be applied for internally, or would T/Ops have to wait for recruitment etc. 2)Are there any links/posts relating to 'groups' of stations? It has been mentioned a few times that stations are grouped together with regards to management structure/hierarchy etc... is this available to see? COLIN has made up a list here districtdave.proboards39.com/index.cgi?board=Stations&action=display&thread=1174166312&page=2#1182478105The only changes are that there is now a Wembley Central Group on the Bakerloo which is Queens Pk - Harrow & Wealdstone, except Willesden Junction (and maybe another) Kew Gardens and Gunnersbury are now part of the District's Hammersmith Group and a few other platforms have been added. Heathrow Terminal 5 will be operated by BAA, albeit with a LUL Station Supervisor, to deal with LUL operational matters. Each group has about 200 staff IIRC! You only need Service Control now! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2008 17:04:27 GMT
Stations are grouped into approx 100 staff - although some groups are much larger.
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Post by c5 on Jan 3, 2008 17:10:43 GMT
Stations are grouped into approx 100 staff - although some groups are much larger. That's it, hence Centurion Manager!  I was suprised that Holborn and Bank have 200 staff! Some lucky Centurion Managers do have less than 100! |
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Post by happybunny on Jan 3, 2008 22:06:06 GMT
When you first arrive at a depot you can nominate straight away to move to another depot and you join the waiting list straight away to get there... however this ONLY applies when you arrive in the T'op grade from another grade, i.e. SA, SAMF, AG1, Cleaner or whatever. If you transfer from one line to another (in you're current grade) you must do 12 months at that line before you can move
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Post by Colin on Jan 4, 2008 2:51:22 GMT
You can nominate for more than one depot, but if you get one of your nominations then the others are cancelled. That's actually incorrect! Only one depot can be nominated - a second one can be added, but it's what is known as a 'geographical nomination'. Naturally the 'geographical' one has to be "on the way" to your original chosen location. An example would be an Acton Town driver nominating Upminster then adding North Greenwich as the 'geographical nomination'. If North Greenwich came up first, the Upminster nomination would still stand but if Upminster came up first, the North Greenwich one would be canceled. Station staff can nominate more locations, up to 10 depending on grade, and can have those nominations still remain after a transfer providing they 're-nominate' them. The 12 month rule applies to all grades - otherwise the system would descend into chaos  ;D ;D EDIT: another valid point - station staff cannot refuse a transfer offer where as train staff can. |
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Post by railtechnician on Jan 4, 2008 9:14:23 GMT
Stations are grouped into approx 100 staff - although some groups are much larger. That's it, hence Centurion Manager! I was suprised that Holborn and Bank have 200 staff! Some lucky Centurion Managers do have less than 100! Perhaps they are proper centurions and decimate their staff after an incident! (Sorry couldn't resist the thought) |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2008 10:45:31 GMT
I recently read that if you are new to the grade you can nominate any depot from day one, but if it comes up less than 8 months after you qualified you will be leapfrogged by eligible drivers until such a time as 8 months has been completed. If you are newly qualified and nominate another depot on your own line you can move immediately when it comes up. Existing drivers, having transferred have to wait 12 months. Correct me if i'm wrong, but the current procedure is something very close to that.
There is a certain driver District and C&H crews may know well who seems to do nothing but transfer depots. Apparently last time the trains council had to get involved!
Of course until a few years ago it used to be 3 years.
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Post by happybunny on Jan 4, 2008 12:23:57 GMT
I was certainly not at my depot for 8 months (from the date of passing road test to the date of final driving day before going to train for new location)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2008 12:44:38 GMT
Stations are grouped into approx 100 staff - although some groups are much larger. That's it, hence Centurion Manager! I was suprised that Holborn and Bank have 200 staff! Some lucky Centurion Managers do have less than 100! Eg in service control each line has a Service Control Manager (equivalent of Group Station Manager/Train Operations Manager) but most of them won't have anywhere near 100 staff. Service control is relatively small, numbers-wise, compared to stations and trains. |
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