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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2008 16:19:55 GMT
At least on National Rail, it is possible for the new class 375's at least, to couple to 455's... but certain things must be cut out of the traction circuitry.
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Post by Ben on Jun 8, 2008 21:31:17 GMT
Thing is though the 95 and the 96's have similar body work (are many parts interchangeable?) but different electronic systems. Yeah, it would be great to have a standardized fleet like the 38/49ts, the 56/59/62ts, and the many varients of the standard stock, but LT has built a rod for its own back now in terms of interchangability. Theres two standard body lengths, and now two sizes of tube stock alone. If you had long cars it would increase capacity, and if they can use any form of standard or previously used equipment all the better. But technology development is very fast paced, so whereas mechanical equipment has a longer economic life, electrical and electronic equipment dont. Thus the suggestion of 95/96 ts bodies with the new kit that has been developed since (The pre 90's stock would be too old to make new copies of, the 92ts have terrible bodies and the 09ts are too big)
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Post by metman on Jun 8, 2008 22:38:18 GMT
Could the space train return?.....
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Post by edwin on Jun 9, 2008 0:01:56 GMT
The Central line couldn't run with the longer type of cars, surely? Wasn't the reason for going with the shorter type cars for the 92TS because of the tight curves, which are even tighter than most other lines?
Anyway, I like the fact that the lines have standardised stock, not only does it keep things interesting (having nearly identical trains on almost every line is dull - think Moscow Metro) but it means the trains are more adapted and thus suit each line better, for example the 09TS will be more spacious, if it were standardised we wouldn't have that.
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Post by Rich32 on Jun 9, 2008 2:58:41 GMT
Could the space train return?..... We can hope...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2008 8:57:28 GMT
If you had long cars it would increase capacity Increased capacity, Yes. Train making it through the Caxton Curve, No! Could the space train return?..... Developments in 100% low floor trams in recent years would improve the case for the Space Train as they share many design features. However, there would still be much R&D to be done which I just can't see happening in the current PPP climate.
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Post by metman on Jun 9, 2008 16:51:29 GMT
Yes true and we certainly don't want it to have ohle either!
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Post by astock5000 on Jun 9, 2008 17:39:50 GMT
The Central line couldn't run with the longer type of cars, surely? Wasn't the reason for going with the shorter type cars for the 92TS because of the tight curves, which are even tighter than most other lines? Rebuild the line in the Shepherd's Bush and Bank areas!
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Post by maxtube on Jun 9, 2008 19:56:57 GMT
The Central line couldn't run with the longer type of cars, surely? Wasn't the reason for going with the shorter type cars for the 92TS because of the tight curves, which are even tighter than most other lines? Rebuild the line in the Shepherd's Bush and Bank areas! Which means the train will crash into the vaults of the Bank of England, so we all get free cash!
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Post by ruislip on Jun 9, 2008 20:15:55 GMT
Last time I checked, Hilllingdon still had Aldwych on the picc line diagram... 1) I'm surprised that wasn't plated over, even though the new Hillingdon station opened before the Aldwych branch was closed. 2) Is the Picc line diagram "hatched, as the new station was opened before daily running was re-introduced to the Uxbridge branch in 1996?
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Post by edwin on Jun 9, 2008 23:56:13 GMT
I dont understand how the Space Train would increase capacity, the trains would still be rounded, in fact it looks like it would decrease capacity if anything. These days you can stand at the edge of the train and duck to fit in, with the Space train the body tapers in at the top and the bottom, reducing the floor space and ruining the oppurtunity to 'duck', so how will it increase capacity? It seems the increase in capacity comes from making the train fully walkthrough and articulated, why can't they do that on the existing tube profile stock?
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Post by Ben on Jun 10, 2008 0:42:43 GMT
Yes to both, Ruislip. It might have had a sticker put over it at some time, but theres no evidence of the residue left when one is pulled off.
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Post by astock5000 on Jun 11, 2008 16:42:31 GMT
Rebuild the line in the Shepherd's Bush and Bank areas! Which means the train will crash into the vaults of the Bank of England, so we all get free cash! ...that will pay for the line rebuild an the new trains!
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Post by ruislip on Jun 18, 2008 20:15:07 GMT
From online pics I've seen of the '92 stock, their destination blinds seem real blurry. And also, can they fit in "Hainault via Newbury Park" and "Hainault via Woodford" onto one line?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2008 20:26:06 GMT
From online pics I've seen of the '92 stock, their destination blinds seem real blurry. And also, can they fit in "Hainault via Newbury Park" and "Hainault via Woodford" onto one line? IIRC, it says something like "HainaultviaNewburyPk", rather squashed up.
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Post by ruislip on Jun 18, 2008 20:28:18 GMT
Also is it "Liverpool Street" or "Liverpool St"; "Ruislip Gardens" or "Ruislip Gdns"?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2008 20:31:03 GMT
I think Liverpool Street fits; not sure about Ruislip Gardens.
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Post by metman on Jun 18, 2008 21:52:02 GMT
[Ruislip Gardens] fits I think! From my Uni days I think the trains could get in [HAINAULT v Newbury Pk]
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Post by Ben on Jun 18, 2008 22:03:32 GMT
The destination blinds are terrible. They should revert to having roller blinds at the front and back. Make them motorised perhaps so its all automated like interior dot matricies.
Bottom line, the type font visible is far smaller. Ive got perfect eyesight, yet I can't read the central lines displays from further than say 20 yards. A met I can read from perhaps ½-¾ a platform length.
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Post by metman on Jun 18, 2008 22:15:10 GMT
Yes, I agree. They were the first of the new type and it shows! I don't like any of the digi blinds. The Met blinds are very good. The District ones are ok, but not great!
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Post by superteacher on Jun 18, 2008 23:07:35 GMT
Remember that the current 1992 stock displays are the SECOND set - the originals were replaced after only about 3 years! This also applies to the train set number displays.
Ruislip Gardens does fit on the display, as does Liverpool Street.
The abbreviated ones are (with spaces in the correct places):
HAINAULT V NewburyPk HAINAULT v Woodford WOODFORD v Hainault GRANGE HILLvWoodford
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2008 9:30:57 GMT
As readable they may be, aren't the blinds still tiny? How about bigger (say, one-and-a-half-line) blinds below the offside front window?
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Post by maxtube on Jun 19, 2008 11:32:17 GMT
I think the 1983 stock had motorised destination blinds. Some trains of 1972 Mk2 stock did for a short while. If you HAVE to use digital displays, they should be the same type as DMIs on 1973, 1995 and 1996 stock, as these have bold and clear lettering!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2008 21:22:22 GMT
There are many examples of Central Line station signs with the stations beyond Epping plated over. And quite a few showing Shepherds Bush Green.....which never happened... Possibly what it will be called on reopening? Personally I like the 92TS, it could have been the best stock running on the network today, was just executed pretty badly. It feels nice and spacious inside compared with the slightly claustrophobic feel of the 95/96TS, might be because of the big windows (speaking as a passenger of course). That said, 92s are starting to show their age pretty quickly.
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Post by Chris M on Jun 20, 2008 21:24:48 GMT
And quite a few showing Shepherds Bush Green.....which never happened... Possibly what it will be called on reopening? As I understand it, the current plan is for the Central Line station to remain as Shepherd's Bush, and the H&C station to become Shepherd's Bush Market.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2008 21:40:11 GMT
As readable they may be, aren't the blinds still tiny? How about bigger (say, one-and-a-half-line) blinds below the offside front window? This idea of having a 'double line' display was toyed with... alas it fell back on costing at the time!!! Also, there was a timr when a large number failed, so trains ran with white cards in the offside window with desto and some had train number too! The displays 'flicker' at a low frequency, somehing like 25Hz [cycles per second] which is why they are rendered as a series of obscure dots and dashes on 'point and shoot' photographs...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2008 1:28:55 GMT
But they're tiny! Methinks that there should be big motorised blinds controlled by barcodes like the buses.
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Post by undergroundernie on Jun 21, 2008 11:35:37 GMT
I believe the 92ts have a few design faults one of these is the cab front on many units has come away from the main bodywork and has had to be reinstated using a heavy duty adhesive, another common problem is the centre windows in the carriages leak when it rains causing the seats to become wet.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2008 21:30:20 GMT
92s were cheaply constructed, I brought one out of Loughton sidings on a wet day when new, and rain water was leaking into the cab from behind the offside monitor.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2008 11:18:04 GMT
A 92ts never ran to Ongar ever did they? It did but was top and tailed by battery locos, on 13th July 1993. One did run to Ongar under it's own power and then completed Ongar -West Ruislip, the folowing has been cut from an email I got yesterday after I contacted him. I knew it had been done but wasn't sure when. 92ts entered passenger service as I recall in March 92, hence it being known as 92 stock, so I think it was during the summer of 91. I know it was in summer because xxx was on leave at the time and when he found out I got accused of playing trains when we all knew it was done to test the train performance. Anyway we got to Ongar, much to the surprise of the lady hanging out her washing in the house at Blake Hall. On the return from Ongar coming up the bank we found that if you put the TBC fully forward the traction motors got very jerky (lumpy was the word the Test Train Engineer used). So we held it in the equivalent of "first point" and it motored smoothly and did a steady 8-10 mph up the bank. We also realised we had the chance to do a historic longest single journey on the tube network by running from Ongar to West Ruislip, only problem was I had Vernon on the desk insisting it was not in the interest of the service and wanted to put us in the Gardens. Needless to say he was "suitably advised" and we made it all the way. A good day was had by all!So there you have it, from the bloke who did it. Incidentally, there are pictures somewhere taken on the day at Blake Hall.
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