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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2007 8:31:55 GMT
TfL have put up the latest map, Jan 08. dont know if it'll go back down again but it shows the ELL Bus replacement with a note about its rebuilding. Also includes the new zonal system. It does make Watford on the Overground look wrong with it out the zones, especially with Amersham in its own zone. Watford Met needs some tidying up as it doesn't need to be so far out on its own. www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/lon_con.pdf |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2007 8:38:38 GMT
Wow, that map is horrible.
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Post by Chris W on Dec 8, 2007 9:07:19 GMT
I noticed several things (not only unique to this map, but also on past versions): - insinuates that Watford and Watford junction are 7 or 8 miles away from one another... having just looked at Streetmap.co.uk it seems more like 1km
- they've tried to bring Wimbledon (DL) & South Wimbledon (NL) closer together than I've seen in the past (or is that just the LU/LO map)
- the bus replacement ELL service does NOT cross the Thames - can understand that considering it would be trying to negotiate the Rotherhithe tunnel/car park & users can try to use the NL, JL or DLR as alternatives.... or swim
I still can't get over how long the former ELL will be closed for (over 2 years), but I suppose that Tfl and Infracos will be starting again rebuilding the stations & replacing the track/signaling etc.  |
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Post by railtechnician on Dec 8, 2007 9:15:01 GMT
Surely T5 should be on the map even if it won't be open in January!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2007 9:17:22 GMT
Just what I was thinking! ;D  Is it me or does it look very over-complicated now?  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2007 9:36:20 GMT
I noticed several things (not only unique to this map, but also on past versions): - insinuates that Watford and Watford junction are 7 or 8 miles away from one another... having just looked at Streetmap.co.uk it seems more like 1km
- they've tried to bring Wimbledon (DL) & South Wimbledon (NL) closer together than I've seen in the past (or is that just the LU/LO map)
- the bus replacement ELL service does NOT cross the Thames - can understand that considering it would be trying to negotiate the Rotherhithe tunnel/car park & users can try to use the NL, JL or DLR as alternatives.... or swim
I still can't get over how long the former ELL will be closed for (over 2 years), but I suppose that Tfl and Infracos will be starting again rebuilding the stations & replacing the track/signaling etc. But these maps have never followed true geography - the idea is simply to show which lines run and connect with each other. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2007 10:03:54 GMT
I noticed several things (not only unique to this map, but also on past versions): - insinuates that Watford and Watford junction are 7 or 8 miles away from one another... having just looked at Streetmap.co.uk it seems more like 1km
- they've tried to bring Wimbledon (DL) & South Wimbledon (NL) closer together than I've seen in the past (or is that just the LU/LO map)
- the bus replacement ELL service does NOT cross the Thames - can understand that considering it would be trying to negotiate the Rotherhithe tunnel/car park & users can try to use the NL, JL or DLR as alternatives.... or swim
I still can't get over how long the former ELL will be closed for (over 2 years), but I suppose that Tfl and Infracos will be starting again rebuilding the stations & replacing the track/signaling etc. I'd love to know why do they need to replace track thats less than 10yrs old? They're ripping out all track and signals but on the track side I can't see the point. This leaves me with another question, why is LU staying infrastructure holder when its isn't even LU's standard. Does this mean the workers are going to be taught 3rd rail as well as LUL's 4th? Why not just hand over it to NR if its there standards? Why is there a need for FOUR bus services rather than two? Have a Shoreditch (in the times it used to run) to Wapping and Rotherhithe to New Cross/New Cross Gate? I don't understand the need with Watford, look at the zonal Tube map it doesn't stick out that much but for some reason they've felt the need make it look bad. Why isn't the Overground work show on there as under construction (same with T5) as both the JLE and DLR Woolwich (Sept 06 map shows it and its THREE years away from being open!) have been show on maps years in advance with under construction on them? I bet theres a few people who are going to be surprised how quick T5 was built with regards to it on the Tube map. Oh well wait till the Tube map is updated with the ELLBR (Bus replacement) which really makes it look a mess. EDIT> Just a side note, TfL are looking at ways to redo the map and keep it simple. I've heard they're open to new suggestions from joe public. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2007 10:15:33 GMT
As an aside, the 2nd January 2008 fares list should be available from stations now. Either that or Wood Green have been jumping the gun because their leaflet rack had 'em in!
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Post by c5 on Dec 8, 2007 10:37:39 GMT
I noticed several things (not only unique to this map, but also on past versions): - insinuates that Watford and Watford junction are 7 or 8 miles away from one another... having just looked at Streetmap.co.uk it seems more like 1km
- they've tried to bring Wimbledon (DL) & South Wimbledon (NL) closer together than I've seen in the past (or is that just the LU/LO map)
- the bus replacement ELL service does NOT cross the Thames - can understand that considering it would be trying to negotiate the Rotherhithe tunnel/car park & users can try to use the NL, JL or DLR as alternatives.... or swim
I still can't get over how long the former ELL will be closed for (over 2 years), but I suppose that Tfl and Infracos will be starting again rebuilding the stations & replacing the track/signaling etc. I'd love to know why do they need to replace track thats less than 10yrs old? They're ripping out all track and signals but on the track side I can't see the point. This leaves me with another question, why is LU staying infrastructure holder when its isn't even LU's standard. Does this mean the workers are going to be taught 3rd rail as well as LUL's 4th? Why not just hand over it to NR if its there standards? Why is there a need for FOUR bus services rather than two? Have a Shoreditch (in the times it used to run) to Wapping and Rotherhithe to New Cross/New Cross Gate? I don't understand the need with Watford, look at the zonal Tube map it doesn't stick out that much but for some reason they've felt the need make it look bad. Why isn't the Overground work show on there as under construction (same with T5) as both the JLE and DLR Woolwich (Sept 06 map shows it and its THREE years away from being open!) have been show on maps years in advance with under construction on them? I bet theres a few people who are going to be surprised how quick T5 was built with regards to it on the Tube map. Oh well wait till the Tube map is updated with the ELLBR (Bus replacement) which really makes it look a mess. EDIT> Just a side note, TfL are looking at ways to redo the map and keep it simple. I've heard they're open to new suggestions from joe public. They probably just want LUL's experience in dealing with tunnels (esp under the Thames) and all that sort of engineering based knowledge. I highly doubt that any control centre would be staffed by LUL employees. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2007 12:43:17 GMT
I'd love to know why do they need to replace track thats less than 10yrs old? They're ripping out all track and signals but on the track side I can't see the point. This leaves me with another question, why is LU staying infrastructure holder when its isn't even LU's standard. Does this mean the workers are going to be taught 3rd rail as well as LUL's 4th? Why not just hand over it to NR if its there standards? Why is there a need for FOUR bus services rather than two? Have a Shoreditch (in the times it used to run) to Wapping and Rotherhithe to New Cross/New Cross Gate? I don't understand the need with Watford, look at the zonal Tube map it doesn't stick out that much but for some reason they've felt the need make it look bad. Why isn't the Overground work show on there as under construction (same with T5) as both the JLE and DLR Woolwich (Sept 06 map shows it and its THREE years away from being open!) have been show on maps years in advance with under construction on them? I bet theres a few people who are going to be surprised how quick T5 was built with regards to it on the Tube map. Oh well wait till the Tube map is updated with the ELLBR (Bus replacement) which really makes it look a mess. EDIT> Just a side note, TfL are looking at ways to redo the map and keep it simple. I've heard they're open to new suggestions from joe public. They probably just want LUL's experience in dealing with tunnels (esp under the Thames) and all that sort of engineering based knowledge. I highly doubt that any control centre would be staffed by LUL employees. Tubeprune seems to think otherwise - he thinks it will be staffed by TfL. Channeling COLIN: districtdave.proboards39.com/index.cgi?board=ell&action=display&thread=1175161949 |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2007 19:18:04 GMT
Does anyone have the Jan 08 standard tube map pdf ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2007 23:40:31 GMT
Does anyone have the Jan 08 standard tube map pdf ? Click on the link in my original post to go to the map. |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Dec 9, 2007 0:06:37 GMT
Does anyone have the Jan 08 standard tube map pdf ? Click on the link in my original post to go to the map. I think pritpal was meaning the standard Tube Map, the link is to the London Connections map which shows ALL the National Rail lines within the fare zones as opposed to just the LO lines. |
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Post by londonboy on Dec 9, 2007 3:22:58 GMT
I notice that Hampstead Heath has moved from zone 3 to zone 2
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2007 9:07:37 GMT
Londonboy is right I was looking for the Jan 08 tube map the above is the London Connections map.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2007 11:21:39 GMT
The Hampstead Heath move had been announced. Willesden Junction has also moved from zone 3 to 2/3, Acton Central from 2 to 3. So now everything west of WJ on the NLL is zone 3, everything east, except for Stratford, is zone 2.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2007 11:59:57 GMT
Londonboy is right I was looking for the Jan 08 tube map the above is the London Connections map. Ah it doesn't look like that ones kicking around yet. I think this is another mistake from TfL (Bit like Novembers) and might dissapear and reappear again! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2007 5:45:53 GMT
Just what I was thinking! ;D Is it me or does it look very over-complicated now? yes, very over-complicated not very helpful people who have never been to london before, but oh well. |
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Post by Chris M on Jan 23, 2008 1:26:36 GMT
I picked up a copy of the January 2008 edition of the paper map today.
There is at least one error on it that I've spotted - Notting Hill Gate station is missing its interchange circle!
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Post by metman on Jan 23, 2008 1:34:36 GMT
My A stock are missing maps with zones 7-9 on!!
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Post by Tubeboy on Jan 23, 2008 1:42:15 GMT
My A stock are missing maps with zones 7-9 on!! Ooh! Nasty that! Sounds painful!  |
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Post by metman on Jan 23, 2008 1:50:37 GMT
I don't give monkeys, but all those poor Amersham passengers want to know where they stand-or is that were they sit? (for now anyway!)
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