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Post by sophie on May 13, 2008 14:33:51 GMT
I read that the Metropolitan Line platforms at Baker Street were called Baker Street East for a time but the book didn't go into lots of details and as usual I have a million questions! But don't worry if you don't know the answer offhand or if you haven't got time to answer, just ignore me
1. Was Baker Street East physically separate from Baker Street? 2. Where was the Baker Street East surface building (and where was the Bakerloo entrance?) 3. When did the stations become known as just Baker Street? 4. Are there any physical signs in the station now of where Baker Street ended and Baker Street East begun?
5. More generally, does Baker Street East imply something different from East Baker Street? Does Baker Street East maybe suggest a closer proximity to Baker Street than East Baker Street would do? Aldgate East is practically on top of Aldgate and used to be even closer, East Acton is a long way from the other Acton stations. But while Watford West is/was close to Watford Stadium, it's a long way from the others. So maybe it was just because Baker Street East scans better.
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Post by maxtube on May 13, 2008 14:48:15 GMT
The Met Baker Street platforms are separate from the Ham and Circle Platforms, so the answer to 1 is yes.
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Post by Chris M on May 13, 2008 15:30:25 GMT
re 5, Generally the pattern of railway station naming in Britain is that qualifiers before the name of a place signify that it is separate from the place, qualifiers afterwards are for distinguishing more than one railway station in a place.
Taking the fictional town of Putware, a station called "West Putware" would be west of the town. Possibly in a village called "West Putware" with the village name meaning "settlement west of Putware". A station called "Putware West" would be a station in the town Putware that was west of some other station in Putware (perhaps "Putware East", its self distinct from "East Putware"). This leads to possibilities such as "West Putware West" or "West Putware East" (although you'd hope that the train company/companies would be more inventive than that and name them something like "West Putware High Street" and "West Putware Riverside" perhaps).
There are of course exceptions to this of course, but "Baker Street East" will be signifying that the station is east of "Baker Street" station, not (in an area) east of Baker Street (the road), which it might not be (although in this case it is)
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Post by sophie on May 14, 2008 13:25:27 GMT
Thank you Max and Chris That's interesting that the Hammersmith & City are separate from the Circle, now I think about it I believe there is (or was) an extra set of barriers before the Metropolitan Line platforms, (I wonder how that affects Oyster Card people, I don't have an Oyster card, new technology scares me and I'd only lose it). I think the Hammersmith & City and Circle were part of the Metropolitan Line so Baker Street East was probably the St John's Wood Railway platforms. I'm going to Marylebone on Sunday so I'll try and visit Baker Street and Baker Street East beforehand West Putware West, I love it! ;D Actually it wouldn't surprise me if a station like that did appear. On a system where the most southern line is the Northern, the second most northern is the Central and the line that goes furthest into the country is the Metropolitan anything could happen.
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Post by abe on May 15, 2008 8:50:21 GMT
2. The Bakerloo had a building on Baker Street, roughly opposite Melcombe St (the road to Marylebone). It was a standard ox-blood terracotta Leslie Green station with lifts down to the platforms. It connected to the Met line platforms at Baker Street East via the footbridge at the north end (still in use, but just to link platforms 1&2 with 3&4). I don't think that Baker Street East ever had a separate entrance. However, the Circle/H&C platforms had their original entrance at the junction with Baker Street, where the subway now crosses under Marylebone Road, at the west end of the station. 3. I'm not sure whether Baker Street East was ever an official name - more of a designation for some platforms that were slightly further away. As such, there wasn't ever a renaming.
To answer your last e-mail, there are three gatelines at Baker Street. One is in the Bakerloo/Jubilee ticket hall (west end of the station, leading to the escalators). Another is in the Met ticket hall (central part of the station, under Chiltern Court), and the third is south of the Marylebone Road in the subway entrance to the station. This latter leads into the footbridge over the east end of the Circle/H&C platforms. I don't ever recall an extra set of barriers (King's Cross certainly had these though). The Circle and H&C platforms were the original ones on the Metropolitan Railway, and date to 1863. You are right in stating that the current Met line platforms are on the site of the original Metropolitan & St John's Wood Railway platforms (although the layout has changed a lot over the years).
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Post by sophie on May 15, 2008 14:13:14 GMT
Thank you Abe, that's all really interesting. I'll have to go and have a look round soon. I've seen pictures of the Leslie Green Baker Street entrance and the Metropolitan one but couldn't work out where they were. But both are a lot nicer than the building in use at the moment!
I thought there was an extra set of barriers at Baker Street because I remember when I was about 12 I used to work out ways of travelling from one station to another without paying and I wasn't able to change onto the Metropolitan Line at Baker Street because there was a ticket barrier. (I always did have a ticket unless I'd lost it, I was more interested in working out how to cheat the system than in actually doing it.)
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Post by Phil on May 18, 2008 10:21:32 GMT
Thank you Abe, that's all really interesting. I'll have to go and have a look round soon. Come to the meet on Saturday and kill 2 birds with 1 stone!!
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