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Post by 21146 on Apr 28, 2008 18:48:54 GMT
Given the recent dispute over staff passes for post-PPP Metronet employees, do London Overground staff get any form of TFL travel concession?
If they don't, this hardly seems fair given the free travel permits handed out like confetti to school kids, police of numerous home counties forces, jobseekers, students, OAPS (for 24hrs) etc etc.
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Post by miztert on Apr 28, 2008 20:56:15 GMT
I understand that London Overground employees (well, LOROL employees to be precise) all benefit from the full TfL staff pass. There's not as much free travel as you seem to think! To address some of the specific cases you mentioned... - Students aged 18+ get a 30% reduction on weekly or longer Travelcards, not free travel.
- Children/teenagers aged 11+ years only get free bus & tram travel, but must pay on the Tube, DLR and mainline trains.
- 'New Deal' job seekers pay half-price.
- OAPs don't get 24hr a day free travel at the moment and will only get that if Ken Livingstone is re-elected as Mayor as the other candidates have not committed to this.
- Travel passes for Police officers are paid for by the relevant Police service.
I'm not up to date on the whole Metronet staff pass issue - do any Metronet (or indeed Tube Lines) employees receive a TfL staff pass at the moment? From your comments it sounds like they don't and it also sounds like they won't when TfL properly take over Metronet - am I reading you right? |
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Post by 21146 on Apr 29, 2008 14:36:53 GMT
Post-PPP Metronet and Tube Lines staff get no TFL travel concessions. I believe Metronet offers to subsidise new staffs' travel costs but whether this is a point-to-point season or Travelcard I'm not sure. Either way it's not the same as of course it only covers the zones between home and work and is no use for leisure travel beyond these areas. I saw a Metronet management briefing which stated that this arrangement would be unaffected by the TFL takeover (i.e. no reason to strike) and similarly, new staff would remain in the non-TFL pension fund, so no changes were being made to conditions. This seems to have completely misunderstood the union's argument! Most strikes occur when a new organisation takes over and seeks to change the existing order (e.g. the Grangemouth dispute), here it's the very opposite!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2008 13:32:16 GMT
LOROL staff and their partner, or one other designated person at the same address (I think those are the words, but do not quote me on it) get a free oyster.
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Post by londonboy on Apr 30, 2008 19:08:15 GMT
LOROL staff and their partner, or one other designated person at the same address (I think those are the words, but do not quote me on it) get a free oyster. You get a "Staff" Pass and one "Nominee" Pass The Nominee pass can be allocated to anyone on the electorial roll who lives at the same address as the person with the Staff pass. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2008 22:53:03 GMT
LOROL staff and their partner, or one other designated person at the same address (I think those are the words, but do not quote me on it) get a free oyster. You get a "Staff" Pass and one "Nominee" Pass The Nominee pass can be allocated to anyone on the electorial roll who lives at the same address as the person with the Staff pass. That could cause interesting situations and I would think that the electoral role would not the only criteria. For example my wife is not a British Citizen (she is Chinese) and therefore is unable to go onto the electoral role. When I was working for FGW she was allowed a priv rate card as she is my wife. So are you saying that if I was employed by LOROL she would be allowed a priv card for NR, but not a nominee pass? Also someone who gets married and their partner moves in with them, would they be unable to get a pass until the next electoral role is published? |
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Post by londonboy on May 1, 2008 9:52:15 GMT
Somersetchris
I'm not sure how it works but a colleague of mine got into trouble for getting a pass for someone who did not live at the same address, I was told they use the electoral roll to check if the person lives at the same address but it may not be 100% correct
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Post by setttt on May 1, 2008 10:46:16 GMT
I'm not sure how it works but a colleague of mine got into trouble for getting a pass for someone who did not live at the same address, I was told they use the electoral roll to check if the person lives at the same address but it may not be 100% correct The only conditions for nominee pass holders are that they must live permanently at the same address as the staff member and be over 16 years old, they do not need to be on the electoral roll AFAIK. |
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Post by chrish on May 1, 2008 11:18:12 GMT
I'm not sure how it works but a colleague of mine got into trouble for getting a pass for someone who did not live at the same address, I was told they use the electoral roll to check if the person lives at the same address but it may not be 100% correct The only conditions for nominee pass holders are that they must live permanently at the same address as the staff member and be over 16 years old, they do not need to be on the electoral roll AFAIK. You are correct Seth, they don't use the electoral roll to check. My nominee pass is for my flatmate, who isn't registered on the electoral roll here. |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2008 17:08:43 GMT
What about children?
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Post by londonboy on May 1, 2008 20:29:50 GMT
Children are not allowed a Nominee pass. if the member of staff was employed after april 1996 their children are entitled to an LU only Priv ticket. if employed before they are entitled to a full (LU and NR) priv AFAIK |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2008 8:31:31 GMT
D'Oh. I just remembered that children get free travel anyway  |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2008 8:45:33 GMT
D'Oh. I just remembered that children get free travel anyway Only the Under 11s, and then only with a valid Oyster Photocard if they're unaccompanied. |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2008 15:11:13 GMT
D'Oh. I just remembered that children get free travel anyway Only the Under 11s, and then only with a valid Oyster Photocard if they're unaccompanied. Plenty of over 11s around here. They all just get on the buses without ever showing a pass, accompanied or not. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2008 7:52:19 GMT
Only the Under 11s, and then only with a valid Oyster Photocard if they're unaccompanied. Plenty of over 11s around here. They all just get on the buses without ever showing a pass, accompanied or not. That was referring to the Tube. :-p Buses they may travel free unaccompanied and without a pass. Although from.. the beginning of June, I think it is.. they must have a child Oyster pass to be allowed free travel on buses/trams. |
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Post by stanmorek on May 3, 2008 14:54:24 GMT
Post-PPP Metronet and Tube Lines staff get no TFL travel concessions. I believe Metronet offers to subsidise new staffs' travel costs but whether this is a point-to-point season or Travelcard I'm not sure. Either way it's not the same as of course it only covers the zones between home and work and is no use for leisure travel beyond these areas. I saw a Metronet management briefing which stated that this arrangement would be unaffected by the TFL takeover (i.e. no reason to strike) and similarly, new staff would remain in the non-TFL pension fund, so no changes were being made to conditions. This seems to have completely misunderstood the union's argument! Most strikes occur when a new organisation takes over and seeks to change the existing order (e.g. the Grangemouth dispute), here it's the very opposite! The dispute arose from the fact that ex-Silverlink staff transferred to LO were getting full TFL travel benefits and entry to TFL pension. Metronet argued that LOROL was a different case being an operating company seperate to TFL though I don't understand how that works. RMT weren't buying that and Metronet then said it wasn't in their power to give out staff passes anyway. Entry to TFL pension fund for Metronet employees was I believe open up until 2005. After that new employees were offered a seperate AXA fund and had the choice of opting out. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2008 17:39:11 GMT
I thought that LOROL staff were in the railways pension scheme which is different to the TfL pensions scheme?
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2008 18:29:49 GMT
Post-PPP Metronet and Tube Lines staff get no TFL travel concessions. I believe Metronet offers to subsidise new staffs' travel costs but whether this is a point-to-point season or Travelcard I'm not sure. Either way it's not the same as of course it only covers the zones between home and work and is no use for leisure travel beyond these areas. I saw a Metronet management briefing which stated that this arrangement would be unaffected by the TFL takeover (i.e. no reason to strike) and similarly, new staff would remain in the non-TFL pension fund, so no changes were being made to conditions. This seems to have completely misunderstood the union's argument! Most strikes occur when a new organisation takes over and seeks to change the existing order (e.g. the Grangemouth dispute), here it's the very opposite! The dispute arose from the fact that ex-Silverlink staff transferred to LO were getting full TFL travel benefits and entry to TFL pension. Metronet argued that LOROL was a different case being an operating company seperate to TFL though I don't understand how that works. RMT weren't buying that and Metronet then said it wasn't in their power to give out staff passes anyway. Entry to TFL pension fund for Metronet employees was I believe open up until 2005. After that new employees were offered a seperate AXA fund and had the choice of opting out. Whilst we did get TfL travel concesions we have not gone into the TfL pension scheme, i wish we had, however it was deemed by those who know better that we have our own section within the Railway pension Scheme. The isssue of LOROL staff getting travel concessions on TfL services arises out of the fact that LOROL would find it dificult to get staff employed who had to pay to come to work on there own services. keithy |
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Post by stanmorek on Jun 1, 2008 21:28:08 GMT
Whilst we did get TfL travel concesions we have not gone into the TfL pension scheme, i wish we had, however it was deemed by those who know better that we have our own section within the Railway pension Scheme. keithy Thanks for the correction. I've been paying into the TFL scheme for almost 8 years now but in this day and age I can't see myself working here for the next 20 odd years. I suppose it gives the feeling that something is being done for retirement and cuts out the hassle of investing for it yourself. Good thing I never bought into this but-to-let nonsense. I'll just have to make sure I don't retire when there's a crash. |
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