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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2008 18:38:21 GMT
Before I begin...I have had a look through the forum for a thread on this, and used the search facility. I reckon though this subject may have come up already.
Has anyone seen the trailers for a new film 'Three and Out' with Mackensie Crook (from 'The Office')...I am really surprised that the cast are wearing real LU uniforms and appear to be driving 96 stock trains.......I find it even more surprising LU allowed a film-maker to make a comedy film about one unders!
Maybe I take life too seriously.....I'll probably watch it when it comes on DVD though.
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Post by Chris M on Apr 13, 2008 18:46:56 GMT
I think there has been discussion of it here, but I can't remember where.
I know Annie Mole has blogged about it extensively.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2008 18:51:25 GMT
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Post by c5 on Apr 13, 2008 23:12:55 GMT
Well they got money out of it and it made staff look good..... err forget the last bit!
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Post by littlecog on Apr 15, 2008 12:16:03 GMT
Well they got money out of it and it made staff look good..... err forget the last bit! See also: Creep uk.imdb.com/title/tt0381966/ I was amazed they let them do that with the station supervisor, but the TfL website is firm that you can't have " unlicensed busking, begging, smoking or use of illegal drugs, vandalism or graffiti, ticket touting/fare evasion, assaults on passengers/staff, use of firearms or other weapon, activities of an overtly sexual or otherwise indecent nature (including nudity)" - which seems reasonable. Not that Creep was at all reasonable. "The Underground doesn't work that way!" |
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Post by signalfailure on Apr 19, 2008 0:02:00 GMT
Creep was absolutly fantastic! Think it was filmed in CHX disused.
Three and Out was filmed at Aldwych. Dont like the film, seen it on pirate. Its totally brown stuff to be honest.
Tim O'Toole gave a message on the film. Something like totally unacceptable however nothing will be done about the film due to its content nature
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2008 9:10:01 GMT
creep was so factly untrue it was funny, oh well its a movie innit? my mate loved the ss in that movie as for some odd reason he thinks my mannerisms are the same as his
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Post by auxsetreq on Apr 19, 2008 10:15:29 GMT
Clip from this review here. www.channel4.com/film/reviews/film.jsp?id=165923Three And Out's producers apparently altered their script to make London Underground more sympathetic and sent it to the Samaritans before filming. Sadly, that doesn't make their treatment of the subject any more heartless, their levels of sensitivity being pretty much signaled by an early cut between a passenger tumbling onto the tracks and Crook squeezing ketchup on his chips. Things improve, slightly, once its heroes leave the city and head for the Lake District, mostly due to a touching contribution from Staunton that goes a long way to dispelling the ugly taste of the whole. One actor's good performance, alas, is promptly cancelled out by another's duff one (Sir Antony Sher is positively ghastly as a gay pervert keen to be eaten alive). A cameo appearance from Kerry Katona as a Liverpudlian strumpet is a train wreck all by itself. |
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Post by signalfailure on Apr 19, 2008 10:23:15 GMT
HaHa ^^^^
Quality post Sir!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2008 14:59:42 GMT
Anyone see Mackenzie Crook on Jonathan Ross last night? (It is available on BBC iplayer if not). He says that he learnt to drive a tube train. He said that they put aside half an hour to teach him and he learnt it in five minutes. Other things he came out with is that in the cab there is a handle which you push to go, let go to stop and the only other thing apart from the handle is a yellow button for the windscreen wiper.
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Post by Chris M on Apr 20, 2008 11:24:21 GMT
I suspect that if all you need to learn how to do is make a train go, make it stop and how to turn the windscreen wiper on and off, then it is perfectly possible to do this in five minutes. I doubt more than half an hour is set aside for this in real t/op training.
However, the real t/ops also need to learn about when (and how) to make it go faster and slower, when and where you need to do this (route knowledge), what to do if it doesn't stop when it should or start when it should, how to identify what is likely to be causing this behaviour, how to check whether it is this, what to do if it is, what to do if it isn't this. What else it could be and what to if it is or isn't any of the other things it could be. How, when, where and why to interact with line controllers, signallers, station staff, depot staff, managers, train/track/signalling technicians, other members of staff and contractors, and what to do if one of them doesn't do what they should or does do what they shouldn't; how, when, where and why to interact with passengers and other members of joe public, and what to do if one of them does something they shouldn't do or doesn't do something they should. Then there is all the paperwork.
I am not a train operator so there are probably plenty of things that I've overlooked.
It also seems that Crook didn't even learn how to open and close the doors.
If all you needed to learn was how to make a car go, stop and turn on the windscreen wipers then you wouldn't need driving lessons or a driving test for a car.
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Post by signalfailure on Apr 20, 2008 13:21:26 GMT
Chris M. you look too deep into things.
When he said it took him half hour to learn how to drive a tube stock. I think everyone automatically knew he didnt go through proper training.
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Post by Colin on Apr 20, 2008 15:34:37 GMT
Tim O'Toole gave a message on the film. Something like totally unacceptable however nothing will be done about the film due to its content nature Having popped into Upminster today (got to do a presentation on overlaps tomorrow for my signallers training course, so I wanted to ensure it worked on a work PC), I saw a couple of notices regarding this. Tim O'Toole's view point is that whilst unhappy with the way in which a one under, and tube drivers in particular, are portrayed in this film; he is happy with the LU film office's explanation (he asked them what they playing at letting this film go ahead). The explanation given is that it is better for LU to be involved in such films as they can ensure that the very worst type of stuff (ie, porn) never gets filmed or appears on screen. Whilst they have no overall influence on a script/plot/storyline etc, by co-operating with film makers they stand a much higher chance of getting at least some influence of what is and isn't filmed. "It should also be bourne in mind that the vast majority of films which show LU are actually mostly shot away from LU property - so for LU to stand a chance of input, they have to co-operate when filming does occur on the network". "The alternative is for LU to refuse such requests, then have no input whatsoever when filming takes place anyway". Personally (it's Colin talking now! ;D), I think I'm highly likely to just watch the film for what it is, a comedy. My sense of humour is quite broad so I'd like to think I can accept all the factual errors, see past the fact that I actually risk a one under every day I get in the cab of a train, etc. As for the film office's defence, I quite understand where they're coming from having read what they've said. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2008 22:14:56 GMT
I think ACTUALLY he was having a joke about the windscreen wiper thing
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Post by Tubeboy on Apr 21, 2008 17:26:36 GMT
Mackenzie Crook was just interviewed on the London News, says he learnt how to drive a train in 10 minutes, said "Its really easy".
So he knows the intracacies of point-point working, knows how to deal with defects etc. Its just a disgrace.
Most watching who nothing about trains will believe him as well. He learnt to push the CTBC forward, thats all he did.
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Post by Oracle on Apr 21, 2008 18:20:27 GMT
As I have said before, a Top Link steam driver, as was my Great Uncle (GWR), famously said that anyone can drive a steam loco and make it run; it's the stopping that's the problem! Having driven trains of various types I can attest that is possible to quickly learn how to make the thing go BUT it's stopping and stopping at the required place that is the tricky part. Having also done p/way work and points operations I can also attest that I have no desire whatsoever to do any signalling job!
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Post by auxsetreq on Apr 26, 2008 9:46:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2008 12:18:07 GMT
When I grabbed my first trainsim out from Japan, I kept overrunning and it took a good time getting the hang of it. Then I "upgraded" to BVE which doesn't have a distance countdown meter and started overshooting again.
Definately pi$$ easy to move a train, rather hard to stop one properly. Yet there's still so many buttons in a "modern" 96TS. I wonder how long it takes to learn that, wait then you have to learn every inch of the "road" after that.
That actor's comments are very irresponsible.
Edit: Before moving a train, don't you have to learn where the reverser is, then flick the ATP gizmo into the correct settings? Maybe, even the act of moving a train isn't so easy afterall.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2008 13:41:15 GMT
As I have said before, a Top Link steam driver, as was my Great Uncle (GWR), famously said that anyone can drive a steam loco and make it run; it's the stopping that's the problem! Having driven trains of various types I can attest that is possible to quickly learn how to make the thing go BUT it's stopping and stopping at the required place that is the tricky part. The first time I drove a train I managed to make a perfect stop, just forgot to release the doors as soon as I had...   ;D I presume its the same thing for even experienced drivers though. Every unit is going to have a different "feel" to it surely? |
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Post by superteacher on Apr 28, 2008 19:48:09 GMT
Mackenzie Crook's comments really don't do T/OPs any favours. The job is already perceived as easy by a fair amount of the public (an image not helped when some 92TS drivers roll into the station with their legs resting on the "dashboard".) I know it's not an easy job, and that there's a lot more to it than many people realise, or bother to find out. Sure, the mechanics of driving modern stocks isn't too difficult to master, but that's only a tiny part of a very big picture.
Incidentally, for the record, I think the film is in very poor taste. I totally agree with ASLEF's stance on this one. It's annoying that LUL do things to suit them. They made all that fuss about the Emma Clarke thing, which was alleged to have shown them in a bad light. And yet, they go as far as to actually allow this film to be advertised on their stations. Sort it out!
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Post by donnytom on Apr 28, 2008 21:15:31 GMT
Mackenzie Crook was just interviewed on the London News, says he learnt how to drive a train in 10 minutes, said "Its really easy". So he knows the intracacies of point-point working, knows how to deal with defects etc. Its just a disgrace. Most watching who nothing about trains will believe him as well. He learnt to push the CTBC forward, thats all he did. Same with acting: the basics are talking and moving, and most of us can manage that. Doesn't mean we can master the less obvious stuff too... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2008 21:28:09 GMT
Right, so we'll get him back in the cab, and during a dark tunnel section, I'll surrepticiously trip out Monitor 1 MCB, Monitor 2 MCB, plus a few others; we'll then see how he deals with the situation.
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Post by Colin on Apr 28, 2008 21:53:00 GMT
Why not do it properly and set up a main line burst on the front unit coupled with a compressor governor stuck in on the rear ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2008 21:55:44 GMT
Yes, and temporarily remove the relavant pages from the TODHG folder!
Ahem, oh, here they are!
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Post by superteacher on Apr 28, 2008 21:57:27 GMT
Exactly - it's not always what you do from day to day, but it's what you have to know.
Next, he'll be saying that he's been in a class for half an hour, and that he knows how to teach!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2008 19:09:55 GMT
Hmm, you don't see the head of the CID come out with this kind of stuff when the latest blockbuster with a corrupt/murdering detective is released. There are many other examples of professions (doctors, soldiers, pilots etc) being portrayed in a bad light in the media but there just isn't this kind of reaction. Its a bit pathetic really. However, I do agree the film looks awful!! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2008 19:13:03 GMT
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Post by superteacher on Apr 29, 2008 20:37:57 GMT
~~~ The job is already perceived as easy by a fair amount of the public (an image not helped when some 92TS drivers roll into the station with their legs resting on the "dashboard".)  Am not suggesting you'd do such a thing Art! ;D ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2008 20:45:40 GMT
Oh err, erm, I was doing up my shoelace!
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Post by auxsetreq on Apr 29, 2008 21:13:30 GMT
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;D
