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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2007 18:18:40 GMT
All 4 guilty - quelle surprise! news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6284350.stm BBC showing a Panorama tonight at 20.30 - I will be watching closely as one of the interviews was filmed at Cobourg St when I was on duty. |
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Post by c5 on Jul 9, 2007 18:29:10 GMT
I was pleased to see this verdict too, having been involved on the day.
Credit to the police and other agencies for gathering the evidence to get this conviction.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2007 18:35:04 GMT
I heard on the radio 2 news this afternoon, that the jury were 'considering their verdicts'. How long does it take to say 'Guilty'?
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Post by Phil on Jul 11, 2007 21:18:12 GMT
sentence is MINIMUM 40 years each.
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Post by Chris M on Jul 11, 2007 22:43:29 GMT
I also note that the two charged with conspiracy to murder will face a retrial, and I was pleased to see that the head of the counter terrorism section at the CPS was stressing that "they were only accused of the offences and had a right to a fair trial."
Going slightly off topic, when a trial ends with a hung jury is anything passed back to the judge/legal teams about what the jury were unable to agree on? The worst case scenario for everyone would be for the retrial to also end in a hung jury because of the same sticking points. If both legal teams know that, e.g. it was clear that two people were caught on CCTV doing what it was alleged they were doing, but that it wasn't clear either way whether or not it was the two people in court then both prosecution and defence can work on their cases to make if clearer without needing to spend too much time or money on showing that the two people on the CCTV were doing what was alleged. [note this is completely hypothetical]
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Post by Oracle on Jul 12, 2007 6:40:14 GMT
Going slightly off topic, when a trial ends with a hung jury is anything passed back to the judge/legal teams about what the jury were unable to agree on? It is illegal for even the Court to inquire anything about jury deliberations, unlike in the States! The number of jurors for and against might be known, but that's it. This would be because the Foreman would say that they had a 11-1 impasse to the judge, and then after extra time, say 10-2 as that is the point at which a majority verdict could be considered by the judge as an offer. Therefore for the jury to be discharged it hd to have been on a 9-3 or worse stalemate. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2007 9:00:35 GMT
Going slightly off topic, when a trial ends with a hung jury is anything passed back to the judge/legal teams about what the jury were unable to agree on? Jury deliberations have to remain strictly confidential. I did jury service a couple of years ago and remember the point being strongly stressed that we MUST NOT discuss the case with anyone else or outside the jury room. Once the case is over you could discuss it as the facts of the trial are public record, but discussions in the jury room and how the verdict was reached must not be divulged. |
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Post by Oracle on Jul 12, 2007 10:51:37 GMT
As I said tfc, it is illegal and contempt of court. Even the Court of Appeal cannot go into jury machinations, although there is then a dliemma as to when a juror, say, wishes to spill beans about, for example (and it has happened) fellow jurors have tried using a Ouija Board to contact the spirit of the deceased. It is actually a matter for the trial judge to manage the trial and if as also happened recently, a juror "misbehaves" as they did not want to do jury service, then that juror can be/will be excused and then prosecuted for contempt of court. It could also result in a re-trial.
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