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Post by prjb on Jul 9, 2007 21:43:18 GMT
Just to let everybody know, 'S' Stock build commenced in Derby towards the end of June and the first car should be ready for painting by mid August. This first car will be utilised for testing before forming part of train 1. Whilst we are still a long way off from having anything resembling a train and even further from having anything inside to sit on, I thought you would want to be told!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2007 21:46:36 GMT
Well, I'm in two frames of mind here... sad to hear that the end is nigh for the C, A and D stocks... but then again... we have to have a modern fleet...
Keep us updated lad!
So we could see the first train finished and under test by this time next year?
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Post by 21146 on Feb 21, 2008 11:32:53 GMT
I heard a bizarre story today that the first car of S Stock was damaged during strain gauge tests (dropped) and has been written off as beyond repair!!! Now it's only a report and I don't want to spread exaggerated sensationalist rumours but further info on this incident - if indeed anything of the sort occurred - would be welcome. Long live the A, C & D Stock eh?
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Post by metman on Feb 21, 2008 11:40:55 GMT
I'm keeping quiet after that comment!
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Post by prjb on Feb 25, 2008 13:14:05 GMT
Guys, I go away on leave for a week and look what happens!
All I can confirm at this stage is that there has been an incident. Once I have permission I will post something else here to give you some more information. I don't mean to be all 'secret squirrel' but I do not want to post info of this nature without prior permission.
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Post by metman on Feb 25, 2008 14:35:15 GMT
Thanks, I think we all understand you need to be as professional as possible!
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Post by prjb on Feb 25, 2008 21:38:06 GMT
I want to start this post by clearly stating that the strain gauge car of 'S' Stock has now completed it's testing and has passed with very few issues. The strain gauge car remains complete and will be used as part of the main 'S' Stock fleet as planned.
However, there was an incident last week involving the first driving motor car on the production line (this is not the strain gauge car). As a result of this incident the first driving motor car of 'S' Stock has, in all likelihood, been written off. This means that the strain gauge car will now be used to form the first driving motor car (it was planned to be introduced to the fleet a little later) and an additional driving motor (DM) car will need to be built. This additional DM car will be introduced around train 7.
The incident itself, which I am not going to discuss in great detail, involved the cab end of the DM car being dropped from it's supporting jacks and impacting with the ground. The damage caused was minimal but Bombardier will probably take the decision to remove this car from the fleet. Bombardier have taken all the necessary steps to prevent another incident of this type occurring again and have been open and honest throughout the process.
There will be some delay to the program but I suspect this will mainly affect the testing stages. Incidents do occur from time to time during major projects and unfortunately on this occasion the hand of fate has intervened in our project! I would also like to stress for the record that I consider Bombardier Transportation staff to be extremely professional and, having visited their factory many times (I will be there tomorrow), also consider there working practices to be safe and beyond reproach. The main thing to note is that nobody was injured as a result of this incident and this is purely as a result of the high standard of safety that Bombardier maintain.
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Post by Colin on Feb 25, 2008 21:56:05 GMT
Accidents happen - end of as far as I'm concerned I suppose the influencing factor in not using the car for the build is that these trains are new build - like anything new, you don't expect it to have been damaged prior to gaining possession. Another angle - when I bought my car (that Fiesta ST), the salesman said "I would arrange a test drive, but the only car I can use would be another customer's - and you wouldn't like it if I used your new car for a test drive prior to delivery, would ya?" (the ST is the top of the range/most expensive/too rare to have one sitting around in the showroom). He had a point, so I can quite understand Bombardier's position - if anything, Bombardier's action reinforces your point about their integrity prjb Anyway - couldn't they donate it to the museum or something?
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Post by Oracle on Feb 25, 2008 22:08:35 GMT
I was wondering if the car that had the incident could yield spare parts for the future? It would be handy if it was repairable and available as a spare should, not when, an incident occur in service to a DM car.
Down here in Southampton in the Swaythling Ford Transit factory we are used to seeing bodyshells of brand new Transits that have had an incident on the line...they stay outside all painted up and then get sent off to be crushed. In the past new cars have been known to fall of production lines and either repaired or crushed. These things happen.
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Post by cetacean on Feb 25, 2008 22:25:49 GMT
Bombardier have taken all the necessary steps to prevent another incident of this type occurring again Well it's not like they have a history of doing it.
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Post by metman on Feb 25, 2008 23:02:15 GMT
Blimey! Great to see the old class 86 back in there!!
I'm sure things will be sorted out soon...
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Post by astock5000 on Mar 11, 2008 16:29:34 GMT
I suppose the influencing factor in not using the car for the build is that these trains are new build - like anything new, you don't expect it to have been damaged prior to gaining possession. A New York R62A was damaged when being built (by bombardier), and was delivered.
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Post by prjb on Apr 6, 2008 15:02:44 GMT
Just to update you guys, we now have five cars on the production line and the first driving motor car is now on it's bogies. I am visiting the factory tomorrow and will update you further after that.
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Post by signalfailure on Apr 6, 2008 18:55:42 GMT
PRJB Do you work for Bombardier or something? I would love to have a first hand look at how trains are built!
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Post by cetacean on Apr 6, 2008 19:10:59 GMT
Slightly OT: Do they really pronounce it Bom-bard-ee-ay, and do you go along with this nonsense?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2008 19:20:39 GMT
Slightly OT: Do they really pronounce it Bom-bar-dee-ay, and do you go along with this nonsense? Yup, it's pronounced like that. It's a Canadian (french) company that took over Adtranz, who took over ABB who originally purchased BREL in 1989.
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Post by prjb on Apr 6, 2008 19:41:54 GMT
PRJB Do you work for Bombardier or something? I would love to have a first hand look at how trains are built! No mate, I am LU all the way! I work in upgrades (after a reasonably lengthy life in operations) and am responsible for ensuring that the design meets end user requirements.
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Post by prjb on Apr 9, 2008 17:48:40 GMT
As promised, an update on 'S' Stock production:
The first driving motor car (21001) is fully constructed and on it's bogies. The doors are fitted and the cab has all of it's control panels/switches etc. In addition the drivers temporary desk and the instructors desk are in place, but the cab still requires some fit out (panels/facias etc). The saloon has very little fitted at the moment apart from the flooring, and it is still awaiting seats.
There are a another two cars constructed (which I was able to walk around) but without doors/bogies etc, and further two cars in a less advanced state with looms being fitted.
The driving motor car is due to go into the lab for testing in around a weeks time and the program in general is approximately 3 weeks behind schedule following the first driving motor car (21002) suffering an accident.
This brings you guys up to speed with the current state of the 'S' Stock. I know you are eagerly awaiting images, I haven't forgotten you, but this will take a little while longer yet (due to politics etc).
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Post by 100andthirty on Apr 27, 2008 19:59:28 GMT
In case anyone sees May Modern Railways there's a short section on page 6 with out of date info about S stock. It's wrong and production is full steam (well, electricity) ahead!
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Post by maxtube on May 20, 2008 14:56:33 GMT
Cool to see the S stock coming! I'm not very fond about the 67 stock being replaced, although I still like 2009 stock, but the S stock looks great!
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Post by prjb on May 21, 2008 19:54:08 GMT
Just to update you all, again! There are now all eight cars of train 1 in production and two cars of train 2 also in the early stages of construction.
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Post by tubeprune on May 22, 2008 10:51:32 GMT
Modern Railways report (June issue) that the plan to lengthen the new 6-car trains on the H & C to 7-cars will be shelved until after the 2012 Olympics. They also suggest that S6s will be built before the Metropolitan stock. This means that the A Stock will continue to run after the C Stock has been replaced. It also says that the new Metropolitan stock will be delivered as 7-car trains, “with a car added later after infrastructure improvements”. Mmmm. That will put some cats amongst the pigeons north of Wembley Park.
prjb - over to you.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2008 14:01:32 GMT
As I previously posted I thought the S7 project on the Circle & Hammersmith was a stupid idea due to the trains not fitting in most platforms and sidings on the line. Now hopefully someone has seen sense and shelved the idea.
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Post by astock5000 on May 22, 2008 15:34:26 GMT
What about the Circle?
I hope that happens, but I think that the Met. will get their S stock first.
What infrastructure improvements. Met. platforms are long enough. If this was true, why would S stock train 1 be 8 car?
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Post by astock5000 on May 22, 2008 15:36:43 GMT
I don't like the S stock design, the window in the end door is too low, and couldn't they put the grey across the door? (And also on the 09TS).
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2008 16:28:09 GMT
The Circle and H&C are one line in timetabling, crewing and trains. So any decision regarding the H&C also applies to the Circle.
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Post by metman on May 22, 2008 16:48:35 GMT
The Circle/Hammersmith & City needs the trains more than the Met. With the signalling delayed the Met doesn't want fewer seats in the short/med term!
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Post by astock5000 on May 22, 2008 17:27:44 GMT
The Circle and H&C are one line in timetabling, crewing and trains. So any decision regarding the H&C also applies to the Circle. That's what I thought, but couldn't the Circle be run as part of the District? It wasn't always run with the H&C.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2008 18:47:00 GMT
The Circle and H&C are one line in timetabling, crewing and trains. So any decision regarding the H&C also applies to the Circle. That's what I thought, but couldn't the Circle be run as part of the District? It wasn't always run with the H&C. It could be, but the District would need more drivers, all drivers would need road training on the north side of the Circle and the H&C to Hammersmith as most trains end up at Hammersmith Depot, all drivers would need C stock training (currently, East end drivers don't work C stock). All this costs money.
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Post by metman on May 22, 2008 19:41:57 GMT
It is best that the H&C and Circle stay combined!
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