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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2007 9:45:37 GMT
Could you imagine that if something blocks the closing doors you could have a little button to boost the power on the door which is not closing. That would come in very handy on the following video
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2007 13:33:38 GMT
I note that he didn't try it with a 73 stock. Many time I have closed the doors only to see people take a kamikaze leap onto the train and said ouch to myself as the doors slam into them.
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Post by nexus6 on Mar 30, 2007 13:54:54 GMT
I suspect many of our beloved customers think the doors will automatically spring open if they block it, rather like a lift. Not so. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2007 14:41:57 GMT
I think a few peeps off here have posted what they think... recognise one or two of the names...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2007 22:21:07 GMT
I have this theory....
There is an ancient and obscure regulation which few LUL employees are aware of. At a minimum of 80% of stations per journey a passenger MUST leap for the doors at the last minute. To facilitate this, each station has a little room - a green room if you will - just off the platform area and beyond the driver's line of sight. When the chimes sound a specially trained member of staff must sprint for the train and LEAP through the doors. In this way the regulation is fulfilled.
These staff are contract staff and while students and the unemployed often take some cash-in-hand leaping work it is clear that the vast majority are 'resting' dancers from the Royal Ballet School who are keeping their hand (or legs) in by executing graceful sideways leaps through the two inch gap between the closing doors.
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Post by cdr113 on Mar 31, 2007 18:34:49 GMT
Excellent comments everyone has made on youtube! High time LU started having doors which closed with a bit more ferocity, word would soon get round that it hurts quite a lot to get in the way...
Slightly off topic, but why do 72 & 73 stock doors close in such a wishy-washy manner? Bakerloo trains always seem to be the weakest/slowest. Its just inviting people to get in the way...
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Post by Phil on Mar 31, 2007 22:18:46 GMT
Roll on the new stocks and the return of EDO!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2007 3:32:13 GMT
Have really powerful doors! I noticed he used a D78 unrefurb. AFAIK the doors ain't very powerful...
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Post by compsci on Apr 1, 2007 8:56:59 GMT
While on the DLR yesterday I noticed that the stickers informing you to keep clear of the doors suggest that they are edged with spikes.
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Post by Tubeboy on Apr 1, 2007 9:34:28 GMT
I watched the new DVD from Video 125 last night, about the Paris Metro, the doors on the trains on line 5 open and close spectacularly fast, especially open, they are passenger operated as well. They tend to open while the train is still berthing itself into the platform, a few seconds before it stops.
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Post by Phil on Apr 1, 2007 22:00:35 GMT
They tend to open while the train is still berthing itself into the platform, a few seconds before it stops. As LT guards used to do, for example as shown on 'London Underground Remembered'. Doors would open while certainly no less thn 4 mph. Presumably our safety interlocks insisted on by HSE not only prevent it but are mandatory. Shame.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2007 9:21:38 GMT
Still, the doors should be as powerful. There were suggestions about having metal strips on the door seals and connecting them to the traction rails...
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Post by bwhughes on Apr 2, 2007 15:56:39 GMT
Just take into account that already the doors on the Central line are extremely powerful and have the potential to cause damage, especially to small children... admittedly when it did happen it was when passenger door control was still enabled and it was a malicious person operating the close button that caused the child's horrific head injury at Notting Hill Gate. The ideas of spikes and connection to the live rail will never be viable unless it is used just to make the door appear vicious - just have a sensor that makes the doors reopen as soon as there's an obstruction. The 'spikes' would only be a deterrant ;D rather than being dangerous (although what if the sensor got covered up by dirt and didn't work? If someone got beheaded there would be unimaginable fines! ) I think the doors should be very fast-moving like those on Line 4 of the Barcelona Metro (these open in less than 2 seconds!) so that punters don't even have time to reach the train ;Dbefore their entrance is blocked! but not so powerful that a child could be hurt.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2007 17:22:52 GMT
I watched the new DVD from Video 125 last night, about the Paris Metro, the doors on the trains on line 5 open and close spectacularly fast, especially open, they are passenger operated as well. They tend to open while the train is still berthing itself into the platform, a few seconds before it stops. Hmm, wonder where I read this quote from...? ;D Still, the doors should be as powerful. There were suggestions about having metal strips on the door seals and connecting them to the traction rails... This was the original method, c.1909 on the District, in fact edged with brass... the doors closed so fast that people ended up with torn clothes and injuries, which earnt the District a bad press...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2007 6:07:40 GMT
And do I remember you suggesting it somewhere...
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Post by Colin on Apr 3, 2007 19:21:10 GMT
As LT guards used to do, for example as shown on 'London Underground Remembered'. Doors would open while certainly no less thn 4 mph. Presumably our safety interlocks insisted on by HSE not only prevent it but are mandatory. Shame. It is possible to open the doors on C & D stocks - I can't remember the exact speeds off hand (Solidbond?)......it's certainly not more than a few mph - naturally this practice is strongly discouraged though.
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Post by Phil on Apr 3, 2007 21:43:02 GMT
Interesting - I would have thought that CSDE circuitry would prevent it till (almost) at a stand.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2007 22:03:10 GMT
C and D stock doors will open below 7mph, although as Phil points out you would need to be in the CSDE zone and therefore very close to the stopping mark.
It has been known for a driver coming in a bit quick to open the doors just before the train stops and while it is still in the zone. The train then stops too far forward, out of the CSDE zone, but the doors are already open! Impressive in a way, but definitely not the corporate standard!
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