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Post by Chris W on Jan 5, 2007 13:41:40 GMT
Gents/Lady I've been thinking  ; excluding the 38ts cars that moved to the IOW in the late80's/early 90's (which replaced the older standard stock cars), what are/have been the longest passenger serving/operational underground rolling stock type? Personally I'd guess that the Q23 cars that survived until 1971 on the DL would be contenders (48 years), although these might have been beaten by the Standard Stock ts trailers - I understand these survived on the Hainault/Woodford Central Line shuttle service (sandwiched between two 60ts DM's) until the late 70's/early 80's before being replaced by the 38ts trailers. As an aside the 1940 Southern Railway cars survived until 1993 on the Waterloo & City service (53 years)?? Can anyone confirm   |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jan 5, 2007 14:31:24 GMT
Some of the Hainault-Woodford Standard Stock trailers were built in 1927. The '38TS trailers replaced them in 1976/7.
Some DistricT R Stock cars can be traced as lasting in service from Feb 1939 until running on the 'last' railtour in May 1983, but thats only 44yrs.
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Post by CSLR on Jan 5, 2007 15:14:46 GMT
Some of the Metropolitan Railway coaching stock had a pretty long career, taking it through until the early 1960s.
As a bonus, some of these are still out there carrying passengers on preserved lines over a century after they were built.
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Post by Ben on Jan 5, 2007 18:21:16 GMT
Indeed. The 'Ashbury' stock lasted about 60 odd years in service in London?
According to 'Standard Stock - Part two', the trailers in use on the Woodford Hainult lasted from 1927-1982, then were given another mini-refurbishment, and withdrawn in 1983. So 56 years? (Not to mention the complete waste of money for giving a refurb lasting only a few months!)
The'38s that replaced them lasted 38-94, so thats 56 years too.
A couple of 1906 motors converted to air doors then to double-ended cars did the Aldwych shuttle till 1956ish.
I'd put good money on there being A stock left when it reached 50; solid machines, AFAIK its only the bogies and motors letting them down.
As an aside, the 38s on the IOW have done 68 years (same as their predecessors), however Stagecoach have no plans to replace them anytime soon, and indeed with the new franchise taking place the 38's look very likely to see up to 75-80 years in revenue earning service.
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Post by Chris M on Jan 5, 2007 19:31:04 GMT
Is there any other stock in the country that has seen that length of continuous revenue earning service?
I know the IOW steam railway have some late 19th century coaching stock, but I don't know if that's been in continuous use?
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Post by Hutch on Jan 5, 2007 19:39:30 GMT
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Post by agoodcuppa on Jan 5, 2007 20:08:03 GMT
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Post by Hutch on Jan 5, 2007 20:35:12 GMT
That's why I said "If the Isle of Man counts..." Notwithstanding, Chris only talked about "the country". If that was England then Scotland and Wales don't count either !  |
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Post by agoodcuppa on Jan 5, 2007 20:58:14 GMT
That's why I said "If the Isle of Man counts..." Merely confirming. Quite, but unfortunately a lot of English people confuse England with Great Britain.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2007 21:07:30 GMT
ESL1xx, the converted Central London R Motor car... is that still at Acton?
Although not operational... it is still about!
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Post by Chris M on Jan 5, 2007 23:57:05 GMT
Merely confirming. Quite, but unfortunately a lot of English people confuse England with Great Britain. And I'm not one of them! I lived in Wales for 3 years when at university so I understand completely about the difference between England, Wales, Scotland and NI / England and Wales, Scotland and NI / Great Britain and NI / United Kingdom / British Isles. I was referring to the United Kingdom by "the country" but hadn't thought of the IoM systems. I have just thought of the Snowdon Mountain Railway though, where locos 2 and 3 date from 1895 and are still in service (number 1 was written off on the opening day), and 4 and 5 are from the following year (although 5 is awaiting boiler repairs). I presume that the earliest carriages date from this time, but Wikipedia doesn't say and I can't get the official site to load atm. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2007 2:29:19 GMT
I wonder whether 'use as a chicken house' counts towards 'continuous use'?
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Post by Chris W on Jan 6, 2007 11:57:23 GMT
I wonder whether 'use as a chicken house' counts towards 'continuous use'? ;D I know that customers/passengers are often referred to as ' cattle', but even that is taking it a bit far  ;D ;D ;D In my original post I was referring to passenger earning service on LU metals... methinks that in the current climate, the converted former LU 38ts DM's on the IoW look certain to outlive us all , which just proves how well they were designed and constructed |
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; excluding the 38ts cars that moved to the IOW in the late80's/early 90's (which replaced the older standard stock cars), what are/have been the longest passenger serving/operational underground rolling stock type?
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