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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2006 9:03:20 GMT
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Post by agoodcuppa on Dec 20, 2006 9:29:16 GMT
Other than shutting it completely how do we make the underground "more secure" from terrorists and other ne'erdowells?
This is just typical opposition party scaremongering that serves no useful purpose. You'll notice he's not offering any useful suggestions.
On an historical note, there was a far greater threat, as well as actual attacks, during the Tories eighteen years in power and they found there was little that could be done on a practical level.
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Post by Phil on Dec 20, 2006 9:31:50 GMT
As a LU staff member, C-S, you obviously know far more than I do, and presumably have specific thoughts about what could be improved and how; but without that inside knowledge I am tempted to say there is a fair bit of 'politicing' in that statement. LU never will be properly secure and to suggest to the general public that it ever will be is disingenuous (!!!). Remember the tiny trials into personal security at Paddington and the resentment it caused. The British public are still (thank goodness) prepared to put up with a small but definite risk if that is the price they have to pay for freedom to travel unhindered. But if you are referring to what the response is if/when things DO go wrong then that's something else entirely. We'd be intrigued to hear your ideas - as I hope would LU senior management And it's interesting that Ken has not had a lot to say on the subject: most unusual for him...........
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Post by Phil on Dec 20, 2006 9:35:02 GMT
This is just typical opposition party scaremongering that serves no useful purpose. You'll notice he's not offering any useful suggestions. "The primary duty of any loyal oppositon party is to oppose, oppose, oppose" (Churchill)
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Post by agoodcuppa on Dec 20, 2006 9:35:31 GMT
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Post by agoodcuppa on Dec 20, 2006 9:44:24 GMT
This is just typical opposition party scaremongering that serves no useful purpose. You'll notice he's not offering any useful suggestions. "The primary duty of any loyal oppositon party is to oppose, oppose, oppose" (Churchill) Agreed Phil. ;D I would suggest, with due respect to the Right Honourable and Learned Administrator, that there's a considerable difference between constructive opposition and being alarmist. Mercer isn't opposing anything. He's just scaremongering to try and score petty party political points.
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Post by Phil on Dec 20, 2006 10:18:37 GMT
I would suggest, with due respect to the Right Honourable and Learned Administrator, that there's a considerable difference between constructive opposition and being alarmist. Mercer isn't opposing anything. He's just scaremongering to try and score petty party political points. Point of order M'Lud! He WAS opposing!!! What he was opposing was the (perceived) idea that the government hadn't even TRIED to consider anything to reduce risks. He was opposing the 'Nothing can be done so we won't bother' perception. As the report into 7/7 showed, although those involved on the day acted heroically and did all they could, there were shortcomings because we'd never been in that situation before. Since then we have heard nothing from the powers-that-be about what they've done to plug some of the gaps and make us better prepared should there be a next time. If things HAVE been done it would have been nice to have been told (in a general sort of way obviously). I rest my case!!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2006 10:55:48 GMT
Lets look at what the Rt Hon Patrick Mercer has said:
Well apart from a few BTP on the street, can anyone say what has been done?
Agreed perhaps a bit of scaremongering, but still a factual statement.
Obviously his opinion, but notice how the government is complacent and not LU managers.
The truth is that as an open system nothing would prevent a repetition of the events of 7th July. BUT more could be done:
Increased identification for staff/ contractors. An airport style ID card worn by everyone working on the tube. Increased training and awareness for all staff. Basic first aid training for staff. Increased and improved CCTV coverage on stations. More random checks being conducted by specialised police teams. More staff.
There is also, IMHO, a fairly serious security flaw that is known about, but I will not post in a public forum which is a concern.
There is an assumption that the tube will only ever be attacked by a suicide type bomber. It looks like the other possibilities have been excluded.
Whether this is scaremongering, or genuine opposition, at least the questions regarding tube security are being undertaken seriously.
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Post by Phil on Dec 20, 2006 11:13:15 GMT
If I read between the lines correctly C-S I'm with you all the way. Those points you made are exactly the sort of things that not only need to be done but SHOUTED about (whilst maintaining security) to demonstrate that the public (and staff!!) are being protected as far as possible.
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Post by Chris M on Dec 20, 2006 12:40:54 GMT
There is an assumption that the tube will only ever be attacked by a suicide type bomber. It looks like the other possibilities have been excluded. This reminds me of a quote along the lines of "An army is always perfectly prepared to win the previous war". For example at the start of WWII the British army were excellently trained and prepared for trench warfare, the hallmark of WWI. Prior to the suicide bombings last year, security on the tube would have been designed to ward against the most recent type of threat, presumably an IRA style attack. Now the most recent threat is a 7th of July style suicide bombing, so this is what the major focus of the security systems will be. However if I were planning an attack (which I am obviously not), I would not look to employ that method for precisely this reason. However, if it appeared that the security was lax in this matter (they wouldn't try the same thing again, therefore we don't need to guard against it) then it would be the method I'd employ. All your eggs should not be placed in a single basket.
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