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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2008 10:08:26 GMT
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Post by District Dave on Feb 19, 2008 11:11:02 GMT
Maybe someone can help - I hope so!
I'm making this an announcement so that all get an opportunity to spot it!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2008 14:38:35 GMT
That's a bit rough........hope they catch the person without a father......
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Post by Tomcakes on Feb 19, 2008 14:49:40 GMT
Hopefully the person will be caught, they are rather dim in the first place to attack someone with a camera who can just snap a picture of them...!
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Post by william on Feb 19, 2008 15:55:17 GMT
I think it's very good of Dave to help to bring this violent person to justice. Although I am not a person who likes taking snaps of the public, this incident should warn the people who do to be very careful indeed.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2008 18:03:52 GMT
This is very close to home for me.....I'm surprised I didn't hear anything about it though, as it was in December. I shall keep my eyes open.....................
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2008 18:52:03 GMT
I will look out for this prat
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Post by 21146 on Feb 21, 2008 16:29:04 GMT
Hmm I wonder if we can ask LU, London Buses, Network Rail etc not to film us whilst we're on their property?
Presumably the get-out are the disclaimer notices saying that "for your greater security CCTV is in operation" blah blah; as are the recorded PA messages seemingly every 10 seconds or so?
Seriously, it's rather ironic that although public transport operators and staff are less-and-less keen on enthusiasts taking photos (I'm sure many readers have their own horror stories), they themselves excercise their right to record us ever more so.
PS - I love the referance to "greater" security, I mean like what was there before?
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Post by Tomcakes on Feb 21, 2008 16:38:37 GMT
If using CCTV, the controller of the scheme must have a notice saying "CCTV is in operation". If it is not obvious who is operating the CCTV, this must be stated so there is somebody who may be contacted about the scheme. This is, I believe, an rear-covering measure under the DPA.
However, photographs for personal use AREN'T illegal if they include people in them - if anybody says they are, ask them for the act and clause, they will no doubt suddenly go quiet.
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Post by 21146 on Feb 21, 2008 18:58:29 GMT
I'm wearily familiar with the rules regarding photography on LUL. It was authorised for personal use in the Reference Manual, it has virtually no mention in the new Rule Book, aside that according to Book 11 Station Management 7.5 Supervisors should "control" the use of flash photography on platforms, which implies it can be used unrestricted anywhere else!
This is a friendly forum in my experience and I would not want to start the sort of adversarial staff/enthusiast/passenger debate (I belong to all three categories) seen on other sites, but unfortunately there are a lot of staff out there that either don't know the rules or are making it up as they go along and 7/7 has given them carte-blanch.
And I've varied my response to being challenged between reasoned argument, short two-word rebuff and full-on email complaint to the local GSM (which did elicit an apology).
If only the "feet on seat" brigade could be prosecuted so diligently!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2008 18:58:51 GMT
we need more CCTV so incidents like this don't take place
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Post by 21146 on Feb 21, 2008 19:00:49 GMT
But it didn't prevent a crime did it?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2008 19:35:05 GMT
I have also posted your message at WNXX, Railchat and the National Preservation forums. Also on the uk.railway and uk.transport.london newsgroups. I hope he gets caught through this.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2008 11:18:02 GMT
The guy shouldnt have resorted to violence although the person taking the picture was taking liberties in my book. The picture is just of the bloke on his own on an escalator - not part of a wider scene. It's a gross invasion of privacy to just go round taking pictures of individuals without their prior consent. The fact that the bloke in the photo then attacked the photographer makes him a nutcase and there can be no excuse for that, although personally i would definately have had a stern word with the photographer myself had it been me.
As a driver, the use of flash photography on platforms drives me mad. Maybe LUL could employ this psycho to discourage it on platforms!? :-)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2008 13:58:51 GMT
The problem is made worse by a lack of understanding by station staff. Not all photographers use flash, but staff assume that to take a photograph anywhere other than outdoors requires a flash. This photo: www.flickr.com/photos/dh73/2193624942/in/set-72157602195220058/was taken without the need for flash. As I have said before, if station staff are on the platform, I will always ask first.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2008 22:56:44 GMT
The guy shouldnt have resorted to violence although the person taking the picture was taking liberties in my book. The picture is just of the bloke on his own on an escalator - not part of a wider scene. It's a gross invasion of privacy to just go round taking pictures of individuals without their prior consent. The fact that the bloke in the photo then attacked the photographer makes him a nutcase and there can be no excuse for that, although personally i would definately have had a stern word with the photographer myself had it been me. I agree with you Prakash, I wouldn't fancy it but as you say resorting to violence is a bit far. Even in uniform I'm still really edgy about taking photos in tube stations!!!
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