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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2007 18:55:55 GMT
Just found out from a mate about this (he's DLR worker). What does everyone else make of it? news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6896044.stmI can see there point if drivers holding the camera but if a driver can leave something on the side filming would this still apply? Personally Id expect any driver doing it nnot to be sat there holding the camera anyway but having something wedged safety out of the way. Tho I could be wrong. |
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Post by jamesb on Jul 12, 2007 20:15:12 GMT
I also read this today. I think it's fair enough, partly because it's slightly unprofessional (rather than unsafe) IMO.
Passengers don't necessarily want to get filmed by a driver waiting for their train on the platform and appear on youtube.
I found the video's very interesting though.
Maybe LU could make them 'above board' and sell them!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2007 20:21:07 GMT
Well they allow 125 Videos to film. Just hope they finish off doing the lines!
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Post by Tomcakes on Jul 12, 2007 20:26:36 GMT
I think the issue is that they are concerned about their staff concentrating on the videoing not the driving? Whereas Video125 have a professional cameraman and pay LU a large wodge of money.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2007 21:09:49 GMT
My opinion is that its someone trying to cause trouble, or/and they don't realise that the drivers who do it aren't physically using the camera while driving...  |
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Post by c5 on Jul 12, 2007 21:12:30 GMT
My opinion is that its someone trying to cause trouble, or/and they don't realise that the drivers who do it aren't physically using the camera while driving... Well they've got on telly now, so saves going on Big Brother! Probably some artist or "investigative student journalist" trawling the internet for video! ;D ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2007 21:22:14 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2007 22:31:09 GMT
The practice was uncovered by commuter Christof Delin, from Dollis Hill, north-west London, who found the video clips on YouTube while surfing the net.
Says it all in the BBC report. Wonder why the hell he would do this? Does he not realise that drivers annit in the business of being dangerous? Or have I been reading too many sensable posts by drivers on here?
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Post by edb on Jul 12, 2007 22:42:30 GMT
Sounds like some kind of annoying person you'd meet and instantly hate.
Frankly if this upsets him he ought to stand at a central line station and watch a train come in with the driver standing up and not touching controls (who cares about the fact the train has ATO its a sensational piece of news)
Most trains require 2 hands to drive properly and well (kindly correct me if i am wrong), so how does the driver do the filming?
Simple he sets it up then forgets about it. he doesn't spend ages fiddling with the camera.
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Post by Oracle on Jul 12, 2007 22:50:15 GMT
Those vids have been there a long time, and referred to on three forums that I know of. T.ops regularly discuss amongst themselves on other forums as to whom they think did the honours. Management must have known about them since they first appeared. Of course there are NR drivers who also video their drives, yet no-one has kicked up yet. If the camera is stationary and just running, how can it affect the operator's performance? Sorry, I think that this is ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2007 8:33:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2007 15:45:14 GMT
[Sigh] You're right, yet another know-nothing  … perhaps if they had an interesting life [oops] job then they would post videos of what they do on YouTube. Once again no one has publicly compared the safety of Underground network to that of the road network… Oh dear, I feel a rant coming on! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2007 16:39:30 GMT
Going a little of topic, Theres a news item in Modern Railways July 2007 about the safety risks and the perceptions of risk. It was discussed with Royal Academy of Engineering and they found thats your chance of being killed were -
1 in 8,000 for road travel
1 in 25,000 for playing football
1 in 100,000 for being murdered
1 in 500,000 for rail travel
Yet on-one cares in the media as car crashes seem to be ignored unless there kids, whole familes invloved. They sight that a crash on may day that killed 6 was 4th item on news with less than a minutes coverage, yet you look at the west coast days long blanket coverage over one day.
Maybe the media likes 'different' images and hence car crashes are too regular and therefore 'dull' for their nice news programmes? Then again dont believe everything you read seems more apt.
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Post by Chris W on Jul 13, 2007 18:49:31 GMT
The only response I could argue with is compare how many car journeys are made compared to train journeys. There are more car accidents simply because there are more car journeys made, which is because there are more cars/vehicles etc. each with their own driver (some better/more experienced than others) According to What Car (http://www.whatcar.com/news-article.aspx?NA=219239) today there are almost 33 million cars on the roads (admittedly not at the same time) - that's registered, ignoring the cars that do cause many accidents (unregistered/uninsured - I could go on). Now how many trains have we got... who knows. Certainly only in the thousands (probably low tens of thousands) per day. It could be argued that if you are involved in an incident that injuries/fatalities per incident will be greater in a train due to: - more people involved
- potentially higher speeds (including impact speeds if striking another oncoming train as has occurred)
There are lies... damn lies... & statistics. When trains are involved someone (usually a company) is publicly answerable because they are receiving taxpayers money as subsidy. I receive NO public subsidy for driving my Saab. Indeed I could claim that the state receives a subsidy from my via road tax/fuel tax etc. Hence railways are under greater scrutiny (maintenance/investment etc.) that I am or other members of Joe public for driving private cars with we pay for out of our own private money/income. Life is indeed all too cheap! |
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