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Post by minesapint on May 31, 2006 22:21:23 GMT
Hi, I've just joined the forum and noticed on a inital ferret about some interest in the 83ts stored about the railway. As I had some photos of the ones at CFS I thought I'd stick 'em on the interweb in case anone fancies a look. They're at... photosbysteve.fpic.co.uk/c976880.html...enjoy! Cheers, Steve. |
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Post by Chris M on May 31, 2006 22:32:04 GMT
Thank you for those interesting photos Steve. I can't say I 'enjoyed' looking at them though. The graffiti is much less appealing than the proper livery is...
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Post by Christopher J on May 31, 2006 22:53:54 GMT
A very interesting set of photographs you have taken there Steve, thanks for sharing them with us.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2006 16:51:19 GMT
Why don't LU just send them to the scrap yard? Surely it would now be rather difficult to return them to service, if there was any need for them to be used in service?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2006 17:39:54 GMT
i hate grafittisprayer - brainless human thing!
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Post by antharro on Jun 2, 2006 18:41:51 GMT
*curious* I wonder if TFL would sell them if asked...?
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Post by Tubeboy on Jun 2, 2006 19:14:24 GMT
They gave a car [83ts] to great ormond st hospital for use as a hospital radio, it was donated. |
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Post by mowat on Jun 5, 2006 13:05:28 GMT
Maybe the Island Line might have them.  |
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Post by arossi12 on Jun 5, 2006 16:12:09 GMT
Is it even possible to refurbish or even restore those trains?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2006 19:01:18 GMT
Very interesting pictures, I have one memory of these trains, i was heading to Stanmore from Baker Street and looked out of the window as an unreferbished A Stock overtook us. I think the driver even waved , oh well enough reminiscing. Refurbishment is possible, although it would be extremely expensive now due to their condition. I'd love to see them refurbished, as despite what people say they are apart of our history no different to Q Stock or 1938 Tube Stock. Perhaps we should establish a committe and raise funds to purchase one lol. |
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Post by arossi12 on Jun 5, 2006 20:51:30 GMT
It would be nice if they preserved a whole train instead of one DM car. I don't see them entering service anywhere even if they were refurbished. By the way, how many of the 83ts are left? I know for sure that there is still one at Uxbridge depot, stephenk has recent photos of it, and I'm guessing those ones are still at cockfosters, but are there any more left? (I read somewhere that there were a pair actually welded to the sidings at south harrow, but I can't recall where I read it or if it is even true.)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2006 8:26:11 GMT
Doesn't the London Transport Museum have a DM car?
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Post by Christopher J on Jun 8, 2006 8:32:30 GMT
Doesn't the London Transport Museum have a DM car? Yes, 83TS Driving Motor Car 3734 is in the Depot Museum at Acton. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2006 8:33:43 GMT
My, oh, my. Those 83TS trains look AWFUL. The graffiti can be covered by painting the train. The windows, well put new glass. They look terrible.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2007 11:51:09 GMT
Maybe the Island Line might have them. I have to admit, I'm rather surprised Island Line didn't take advantage of LU's stock renewals and buy some replacement stock for the line on the cheap. I'd have thought the 59s were the perfect replacement for the island's 38s. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2007 19:02:07 GMT
Maybe the Island Line might have them. I have to admit, I'm rather surprised Island Line didn't take advantage of LU's stock renewals and buy some replacement stock for the line on the cheap. I'd have thought the 59s were the perfect replacement for the island's 38s. 72s are up soon and would be perfect for the Island Line. Shame Stagecoach won't take up LUs offers because there are always doubts about the line  Part of the new South Western franchise should've included new rolling stock for the Isle of Wight. |
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Post by Chris W on Feb 11, 2007 19:29:48 GMT
Quoting from the latest edition of RAIL due on the shelves from 14 Feb, " there are no new trains in sight for the Isle of Wight" (page 14: Rail 559). This article was written on the context of South West Trains taking over a 10-year franchise for trains out of London Waterloo from 4 February onwards (includes the Island Line) - whether they will therefore fast-track replacement stock (perhaps 67/72 ts from LU) only time will tell |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2007 23:39:34 GMT
Maybe the Island Line might have them. I have to admit, I'm rather surprised Island Line didn't take advantage of LU's stock renewals and buy some replacement stock for the line on the cheap. I'd have thought the 59s were the perfect replacement for the island's 38s. I suspect that the cost of shipping and altering the trains would be more of an issue than the actual purchase price. If the 38s still run OK then there's not much incentive to replace them. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2007 14:45:33 GMT
I have to admit, I'm rather surprised Island Line didn't take advantage of LU's stock renewals and buy some replacement stock for the line on the cheap. I'd have thought the 59s were the perfect replacement for the island's 38s. I suspect that the cost of shipping and altering the trains would be more of an issue than the actual purchase price. If the 38s still run OK then there's not much incentive to replace them. Conversion and shipping costs would probably have been bourne by the RoSCo and repaid through higher leasing charges. How long the 38s last depends, I suspect, on how much Stagecoach are paying the RoSCo (HSBC Rail) in leasing charges and how high the maintenance costs on the units are. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2007 14:54:16 GMT
I have to admit, I'm rather surprised Island Line didn't take advantage of LU's stock renewals and buy some replacement stock for the line on the cheap. I'd have thought the 59s were the perfect replacement for the island's 38s. 72s are up soon and would be perfect for the Island Line. Shame Stagecoach won't take up LUs offers because there are always doubts about the line Part of the new South Western franchise should've included new rolling stock for the Isle of Wight. Stagecoach will be paying DfT Rail a premium for the privilege of running the SWT franchise in it's last 5 years. The only way new trains would be brought to the island is if they can agree very favourable terms with a RoSCo - which is looking highly unlikely, given the threats of a Competition Commission enquiry into leasing charges coming from DfT Rail and the way the RoSCos have responded to it! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2007 14:57:13 GMT
Why does the train operator have to use a RoSCo? If they can get them cheap enough, what's to stop them buying their own trains outright?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2007 15:50:01 GMT
If they can get them cheap enough, what's to stop them buying their own trains outright? Nothing. Stagecoach own the two Lymington Pier line units, outright. It does leave them in the awkward position of having stock they can't do anything with should they lose the franchise, though. |
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Post by Chris W on Feb 13, 2007 18:48:14 GMT
It does leave them in the awkward position of having stock they can't do anything with should they lose the franchise, though. According to the Rail article (No. 559 on sale from "all good newsagents" tomorrow) - see my previous comment above..... THEY HAVE |
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Part of the new South Western franchise should've included new rolling stock for the Isle of Wight.
