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Post by Christopher J on Sept 28, 2005 18:16:55 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2005 12:58:42 GMT
I take it this work will involve the removal of all NSE branding such as the logos on the platform edges?
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Post by ikar on Sept 29, 2005 13:37:03 GMT
Maybe at the closure time they will maybe mak some 1000 or so upgrades on the stock ;D
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2005 21:51:43 GMT
Oh well all the NSE feels would have gone.
The kids of the next generation won't call it the drain i guess?
I find the W&C has character at the moment ok it's cr*p but hey .
I'll take a trip down there before it closes.
Cheers James
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Post by Phil on Sept 30, 2005 9:23:12 GMT
Sorry to disagree James but all character disappeared when they withdrew the class 487 units, still with their 'SOUTHERN RAILWAY' grilles inside.
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Post by 1996 on Sept 30, 2005 15:07:09 GMT
It will be a nightmare. Has anyone ever been on the W&C at 17.30 on a weekday - DON'T - IT IS NOT ADVISED
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2005 15:27:03 GMT
And most of the W&C passengers will end up on the District
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Post by q8 on Sept 30, 2005 15:57:54 GMT
And most of the W&C passengers will end up on the District : ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Why? Quickest way is Waterloo - London Bridge - Bank.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2005 16:43:13 GMT
But according the Metro Travel page, passengers will be told to go to Embankment for the DR!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2005 19:08:48 GMT
Sorry to disagree James but all character disappeared when they withdrew the class 487 units, still with their 'SOUTHERN RAILWAY' grilles inside. Those 487 units were just fab, they didn't stop bouncing the whole way. Did anyone else here ever visit Waterloo signal cabin? That line may have been short but it had lots of character.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2005 20:44:24 GMT
True i mean't any character left!
James
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Post by graham on Oct 1, 2005 18:29:17 GMT
London Bridge to Bank in the morning peak can sometimes be close to unbearable. You have all the passengers from south of London Bridge going to Bank and all of the Main Line passengers going north of Bank for that little section. If it's not raining then I'd go to London Bridge and walk.
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Post by q8 on Oct 17, 2005 10:23:29 GMT
Why, oh why. Don't Metronet look ahead for once and connect the line at one end or the other to another tube line? I am sure it would be beneficial in more ways than one. The cost would be re-couped from greater traffic levels.
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Post by piccadillypilot on Oct 17, 2005 11:12:34 GMT
Why, oh why. Don't Metronet look ahead for once and connect the line at one end or the other to another tube line? Brcause it's not Metronet's decision. Ultimately it's the Treasury's and we know what their view on spending money on transport infrastructure is. (Note that I'm not arguing against the idea.)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2005 11:19:04 GMT
Why, oh why. Don't Metronet look ahead for once and connect the line at one end or the other to another tube line? I am sure it would be beneficial in more ways than one. The cost would be re-couped from greater traffic levels. Well, at Waterloo the W&C is pretty much at right angles to the Northern and Bakerloo; and a Jubilee branch from Westminster to Bank would make about as much sense as a branch from Green Park to Charing Cross. At Bank, as discussed in another thread, it would be possible to connect to the Central, but surely most westbound Central passengers want to go to stations along Oxford Street rather than being diverted to Waterloo.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2005 15:50:42 GMT
In an ideal world I would see the line turned into one parallel somewhat to the Central, with its own tunnels but running just south of the Central line (although meeting at Bank is inevitable obviously). Perhaps running from, say, Earls Court to Whitechapel? (I don't know really, just picking stations out of my head). Since Crossrail is not going to happen until 2173 we really need a new West-East line, the Central is packed even on Sundays in the central section when I've been down there!
But, alas, it again comes down to money. Well, the Government will be smacked in the face when it doesn't have the transport infrastructure come 2012, hopefully.
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Post by q8 on Oct 17, 2005 15:57:34 GMT
Ah!! Now Sidneynick raises and interesting point here. The origibnal intention was for the Jubillee to run via Aldwych and Ludgate Circus thence eastward via St Pauls. Charing X abandoned station is point in that direction anyway. So what would be the benefits of actually constructing the route and re-connecting with the Jubillee again in the east somewhere?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2005 17:40:26 GMT
I still think the line would be far more useful if it were connected to the Piccadilly Line's Aldwych branch, with a behind-barrier link from that station to Temple DR. Then you would have a two-pronged service to Aldwych and Bank, with the possibility of a peak-hour single-line extension to Holborn Platform 5.
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Post by Phil on Oct 17, 2005 17:57:43 GMT
I'm tempted to put this thread in either simulations or Role Play ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Tom on Oct 17, 2005 21:03:36 GMT
Well, the W&C is a project I'm involved in (doing the CAD and some limited Signalling Design). Trying to do anything with the line as it is is difficult enough, all these suggestions would make a good horror story though ;D
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Post by igelkotten on Oct 18, 2005 0:38:57 GMT
Well, the W&C is a project I'm involved in (doing the CAD and some limited Signalling Design). Trying to do anything with the line as it is is difficult enough, all these suggestions would make a good horror story though ;D Change it over to 30-minute headways and convert it to a convalescent home for exhausted Stockholm drivers in need of recreation?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2005 9:05:23 GMT
When they refurbish the trains, it looks like they will have to do it on site, as the ground above is not structually strong enough to hold a crane, unless they spend a lot of £££ on putting beams and lots of concreate in.
We shall see what happens
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2005 13:40:59 GMT
Well those trains will be replaced eventually, so why not do the structural work now? Otherwise they're only putting off the inevitable, and it will be a damn sight harder to paint those trains in the confines of the depot I would've thought. Indeed, we shall see.
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Post by q8 on Oct 29, 2005 16:24:28 GMT
How do we know they are gonna paint 'em. They may use Vynils?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2005 17:35:23 GMT
Fair point Q8, didn't think of that
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Post by Tom on Oct 29, 2005 18:48:29 GMT
When they refurbish the trains, it looks like they will have to do it on site, as the ground above is not structually strong enough to hold a crane, unless they spend a lot of £££ on putting beams and lots of concreate in. We shall see what happens Which is why I saw a document a couple of weeks ago all about how the trains will be removed by crane for refurbishment off site. I would be very surprised if the ground has deteriorated so much since 1993 that it can't support a crane any more.
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Post by DWS on Feb 15, 2006 4:55:37 GMT
When they refurbish the trains, it looks like they will have to do it on site, as the ground above is not structually strong enough to hold a crane, unless they spend a lot of £££ on putting beams and lots of concreate in. We shall see what happens The trains will be sent to Wabtec Rail Ltd in Doncaster for a repaint, installation of CCTV, replacement of scratched glass, new seats and upholstery.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2006 9:04:25 GMT
When they refurbish the trains, it looks like they will have to do it on site, as the ground above is not structually strong enough to hold a crane, unless they spend a lot of £££ on putting beams and lots of concreate in. We shall see what happens The trains will be sent to Wabtec Rail Ltd in Doncaster for a repaint, installation of CCTV, replacement of scratched glass, new seats and upholstery. Yup. Some of that work such as the installation of CCTV really does require the trains to be sent away. Plus, the works to the depot also need the trains out of the way too. Anyone got an idea for the dates when the carriages are to be lifted out? Probably when I'm at school
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Post by DWS on Feb 15, 2006 14:52:49 GMT
Its likely to be on the 1st and may be the 2nd Weekends of the line close down.
The line is shut from the 1st of April 2006 for six months.
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