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Post by ejitrafik on Feb 11, 2006 23:46:36 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2006 7:59:44 GMT
I've seen something recently (can't remember where, but it was "official") saying that these two are no longer under review and will remain open.
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Post by Chris M on Feb 12, 2006 13:09:55 GMT
The latest I've seen (I think it was on TfL's site somewhere) is that they're staying open during phase 1. I don't think a decision has been made regarding whether they'll be served by phase 2 or not.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2006 18:09:33 GMT
There are issues with platform lengths. Certainly the platforms at Wapping can't be lengthened - too close to Canada Water. Not sure about Rotherhite.
Both are statying open for Phase 1.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2006 18:20:14 GMT
Shadwell can be lengthened to six cars quite easily, as the platform is already there. Whitechapel and New Cross Gate are supposed to be more than long enough for eight cars. New Cross, Wapping, Rotherhithe and Canada Water are all too short and can only be served by four car trains.
Seems to me then that the simple solution is a short four car shuttle service between New Cross and Dalston, serving these three short stations - as I can't see the trigger-happy HSE ever allowing the HMRI to otheriwse approve the eminently sensible option of SDO for the short stations.
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Post by silverbaz on Mar 3, 2006 20:15:10 GMT
Seems to me then that the simple solution is a short four car shuttle service between New Cross and Dalston, serving these three short stations - as I can't see the trigger-happy HSE ever allowing the HMRI to otheriwse approve the eminently sensible option of SDO for the short stations. If they run the trains as two 4 car units forming one 8 car train then SDO wouldn't be a problem, the front 4 could be released with the rear 4 cut out. This arrangement works perfectly well at Chertsey & Bagshot and a few other stations on the SWT network. |
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Post by ribaric on Jun 15, 2006 15:35:47 GMT
I understand there is a problem in that the TOC does not want to staff these stations but they are "section 12" and must be attended. Their simple answer is to shut them and save money. I guess there will be business cases from both sides and each argument will show a perfectly good reason to close/keep them open. It all makes work for the working man to do  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2006 17:12:53 GMT
The issue may be platform width, not length.
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Post by compsci on Jun 15, 2006 17:20:15 GMT
When I went to a presentation on the ELL in April the representative from TFL said that the main issue was actually providing a secondary means of escape given their depth.
This will now be achieved by putting new staircases into the vent shafts. As such it is expected that the stations will remain open.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2006 21:39:51 GMT
The issue may be platform width, not length. When I travelled from Canada Water to Shoreditch 2 weeks ago, it was my first trip on the ELL for ages, and I has forgotten how narrow the platforms were - the platform walls seemed incredibly close to the train! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2006 15:28:11 GMT
with SDO systems today, such as current examples on the Electrostars and Adelantes (yes adelantes!) the Driver/Train Manager can individually cut out doors from the TMC (Train Management Computer)
Why don't the rolling stock team for the ELL look into summat like that.
The could then be really clever so the system picks up that it is approaching those stations and cut out the unusable doors automatically...
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Post by Chris M on Jun 16, 2006 15:58:52 GMT
I don't know for certain, obviously, but I would have thought it trivial to extend the CDSE system to identify the station.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2006 20:00:15 GMT
nah, the CSDE would just specify the max number of coaches that the platform can use. The Train would then work out what to do.
It's been trialled before (can't remember where off the top of me head) and trials were successful, but the project was abandoned as it was too expensieve to fit to the entire NR network.
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Post by Oracle on Jun 16, 2006 21:07:16 GMT
This arrangement works perfectly well at Chertsey & Bagshot and a few other stations on the SWT network. Clapham Junction Up Fast has this problem with 10-car trains having to detrain from the first five cars. However the most extreme is possibly Beaulieu Road (next stop fDown rom us with very, very meager SuX service because no-one uses it) where one door only opens so that the conductor-guard lets the 'ghost' out. Su there is an hourly service and they seem to discharge out somehow! When electrification of the Bournemouth line was effected at New Milton, as now, there was a requirement for passengers to exit by the first four cars. However in summer they used to often have a 12-car stopper with the unique 8-VAB 8001 at the back. This meant that the driver had to move the train forward after detraining one lot of punters, and then stopping to let more out the rear of the 8-car unit. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2006 21:14:13 GMT
oh the 8 VAB unit - summat of a failure that concept was, reading my boook about the Southern EM Units....
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Post by Oracle on Jun 16, 2006 21:35:31 GMT
8-VAB was not so fab!
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