Networkers on the ELL

I would class that as dubious if they are replacing another stock in Glasgow and are being AC'd. There's plenty of other stock that could fit the position!

First seem to be taking a real interest in these now, seeing as they desperately want rid of their 314s rather than having to send them for a refurb and overhaul.

they are already AC ready, they just need a panto!

the 458s are only a temporary solution to the Glasgow Problem... they are built to a Southern Loading Guage not a scottish one, and thereof are a wee bit to tall and wide...

if i had the money i'd bet a tenner they were comn back to LU in 2011...

What are you on about jn114?

The 458s and 334s are exactly the same height at 3.77 m (12 feet 3 inches) and width 2.8 m. There are minor differences in coach length but no longer than 30 centimeters, which will not make any difference! There are only minor differences in weight also, again nothing restricting. The gauge is your standard 4 ft 8½ inch rail... so I don't see what you are saying about them not being gauged ready to fit "scottish" lines. They are exactly the same trains, bar a few technical differences with electrical gear, with the exact same bodyshells, with slight modifications on the cab ends. Why won't they work then?

You are right though, they are already fitted ready to work off AC overhead, once a pantograph has been fitted.

As for returning by 2011, I doubt it and would put a tenner on saying they will not return and these will be a long term solution for 314 replacement. Considering there is plenty of other suitable stock available to work the ELLx when it eventually is ready for service!

Probably nothing beyond Glasgow! No-one would want such a unit now, they are getting old, by modern standards!

In short scrapped, though there may be a remote chance of some displacement. Can't see it myself.

I can't see 3.5 cm making much of a difference, nor 75 cm in width distributed either side if that is the case. I shall investigate further as it may a case that 334 data I received is simplified to it's simplest form, as with the 458 data I have. I do not see the difference in them and the restrictions they would carry. If they were out of guage they wouldn't be allowed to go to Glasgow at all!

its 7.5cm distributed BTW... i'll see if i can get my scanner working...

What is it with you and Junipers on the ELL? Just because rumours have gone round before that they may go there, doesnt mean to say that that is what is going to happen.

If they are going to the bother of fitting pantos to the units and sending them that far north, iam sure that isnt permanent, and if so, what would replace the turns they will cover when they come back south??

I think its a simple case of rumours being taken literally

As in regards to measurements, give or take a few cms, they are the same body shell, all that is different is the cab, and the design on its "nose". If you go deeper than that, you could ofcourse say that the bolts and screws are different colours, but that would just be pedantic!!

he syas his source is sure of what is gonna happen and will beating the s**t out of that source if he is wrong, although i havn't knwon him to be wrong in the 9 years i've knkown him

Listen please both DT and jn114. I shall say this quietly:

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