Networkers on the ELL

Funny you should mention this Chris because somebody I know absolutely insists that the ELL is wired for both 4 rail AND 3rd rail return. I queried this a while back and it was denied by somebody on this forum.

However my mate was one of the guys who did the ELL refurbishing and rewiring etc in the three years it was closed and says that it is DEFINITE that both LT and NR southern trains can use the route as impedance bonds were installed.

It is however only supplied at 630v

I'm telling you this guy absolutey insists that the track circuits on the ELL are immnunised against third rail return. He says that for some reason this is being kept dark.

It is expensive to install proper impedance bonds, they have to be maintained continously in order to work, and they can cause problems with other existing signalling equipment if not installed as an integrated system.

I am having a very, very hard time believing that LU/TfL would project, design, install and verify signalling equipment worth millions, for no other purpose than "keeping it in the dark"

Maybe it is designed for use as an UFO landing pad?

Well the geezer screamed at me that he was right. So he may be an alien. However as an ex-underground man and given the present 'Ebenezer' attitude of LUL management I tend to go more with Igelkotten's (and Tom's) opinions on this matter.

However there IS an item on the web that states that ELL is equippied for both systems but I can't t remember where I saw it.

well i know there are certainly rumours that the 458s will run the Extended ELL. they aren't wired for 4th Rail operation so the ELL will have to be re-done

The guy now says he meant the the ELL has been PREPPED for third rail. Thanks Rikio for the post but that is not where I saw the article.

Having spoken with another colleague today who also worked on the ELL resignalling, apparently some preparatory work was carried out for the line to eventually be worked by main line stock. However, the signalling as currently installed does not support it.

I would also echo Dave's advice on the writings of Clive Feather, I read his write-up on a visit to White City/Wood Lane and found a number of errors in it.

Are there any artists impressions of this livery? Sounds interesting, rather like something from 50 years ago (though that is no bad thing)

If you look at TfL Rail website and the ELLX, you see images of the proposed stations, and the general TfL Rail logo above: it is not quite brown a la Bakerloo, but maroon (Midland Railway?) with blue. So i assume that ELLX trains will be almost identical to livery on LU (except LU is central line red). Many commuters will not see the difference. TfL Coach stops also look very much like the old LT colours - except this time a light shade of red. The idea is that Rail (maroon) and Orange (coach stop) is meant to signify a parallel service to the LT red and blue of Tube and Bus. Nice idea in theory - but for suruban rail and coach, i'd prefer a good old LT Green Line style logo. I'd have Green roundel, yellow bar, black station names

LUL wouldn't use 376s i wouldn't think... they seems wo complex to me for you fairly (and this is meant in a nice way) simplistic tube drivers!!!

If you think our stocks are simple, you have lot to learn!!

The computers actually make things easier, as they tell you what to do when the train goes wrong. With conventional stock, you need to know it backwards. If you compare a 95/96 ts to a networker, apart from the addition of aws and tpws and of course our own safety systems, the trains are comparable. Its like comparing a 59ts to a mk1. The train works in pretty much the same way essentially. Of course there are differences, but the mechanics are similar.

What about the fleet of 30 junipers that are going to be made redundant at the end of the year from SWT?? Perfect? (Yes Seth, rumours have gone round they were going to GatEX, but rumours have also gone round that they are goin to SPT, so who knows!)



Too true...



Compare a VEP with a C stock, now compare a VEP with a Electrostar, major differences with the last option rather than the first me thinks

As long as the correct training is given, a train isnt difficult to understand.

MA the SWT JOPs are going to ScotRail in June Next Year, being removed from the diagrams sometime im march

while they are bogging off to sctoland the intention IS to return them to london for the ELLX, or zat is what i've heard from porterbrook who own the units!