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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2006 16:38:55 GMT
Sounds doubtful to me. Could you imagine being allowed out with a 73TS?
Still it'd be interesting, but would the HSE allow such a thing?
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Post by Oracle on Oct 1, 2006 18:40:47 GMT
Yours Truly went on a course at the North Norfolk Railway and drove their Railbus, a diesle shunter and a Peckett steam loco, plus fired the steam loco (no not out of a cannon!) and did coupling/uncoupling. I also sat in the operator's seat when the D Stock was new, and was shown the controls, etc. I received enough tuition on 1973 Stock nearly thirty years when regularly cabbing ago to feel competent that I could have a go under careful supervision by a qualified instructor. However, as the experienced Top Link driver said to the film cameraman aeons ago, anyone can make an engine / train go, it's the stopping and stopping in the right place that's the difficult part! That holds good today for LU trains!
I suddenly reminded myself that when LT had their Chiswick Open Days, anyone with a driving license could drive a RM around the works roads with an instructor hanging by their ear.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2006 19:08:36 GMT
In other words, someone who has no idea of the practicalities or safety implications.  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2006 19:12:30 GMT
If this was to occur, and I think it very unlikely it will ever happen, the candidates would have to be vetted and have every single detail checked... for reasons I need not mention....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2006 20:05:15 GMT
does it work in oposite for you ATO, that you get paid to not drive a train! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2006 20:17:11 GMT
does it work in oposite for you ATO, that you get paid to not drive a train! I'll be doing just that from 8th October as I am on Annual Leave.... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2006 20:23:50 GMT
life is one long holiday ATO isn't it!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2006 20:31:24 GMT
does it work in oposite for you ATO, that you get paid to not drive a train! I'll be doing just that from 8th October as I am on Annual Leave.... What? Again? ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2006 21:32:20 GMT
does it work in oposite for you ATO, that you get paid to not drive a train! I'll be doing just that from 8th October as I am on Annual Leave.... Same here. ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2006 15:07:30 GMT
I am going to go drive Bodmin Raiwlays class 37 in Novemeber, and there are loads of rules surrounding that. They certainly do vet people who apply to do the course.
I would doubt they would allow such a thing on the underground, particually with stock that is still used elsewhere on the system.
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Post by Tubeboy on Oct 2, 2006 15:52:27 GMT
I heard about this recently, cant remember if it was on DD, or somewhere else. Doubt it would happen, never say never though.
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Post by Chris M on Oct 2, 2006 20:42:08 GMT
Although the Aldwych branch being in tunnel would give a more stereotypical tube-driving experience, it does seem to present a lot of risks. I don't know what the overrun is like, but if something went drastically wrong wither by accident (significantly greater chance with an inexperienced person on the handle I'd have thought), or, deity-of-choice forbid, deliberately, it is conceivable that the train could impact the headwall at speed.
Alternatively, by my recollection of the layout at the Holborn end, all that would stand between the train and the mainline is a train stop. I would presume this is maintained, but I don't know how well it would work against a train running at speed. And even if it did hold, the chance to shut down the picc between Kings Cross and Hyde Park Corner exists. Even taking out Holborn station would cause significant disruption.
In the current climate, both in terms of health and safety and security, I cannot see this happening.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2006 21:51:30 GMT
Agreed, I couldn't either, sadly!  Plus, I'm sure losing Holborn and Aldwych as major testing and filming areas, wouldn't be benificial to them in the long run!  If it did happen though, wouldn't it be more likely to come under the LTM and they'd probably place some track down somewhere, off Acton depot for example, and only be bookable, and at a great cost I'd imagine though!? |
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Post by prjb on Oct 2, 2006 23:36:19 GMT
To be honest here, the actual amount of red tape involved in achieving this type of occurance isn't that huge. Some basics would need to be covered but provided the person involved was accompanied by a fully qualified Instructor Operator then there are not too many issues.
New trainee drivers get quite a lot of classroom based training before ever touching the handle but this is mainly in order to assess there suitability and to ensure that those who pass through are likely to succeed. Ultimately our Instructor Operator resource isn't that huge and they are a valuable commodity not to be wasted. Which is why trainee drivers are given lots of tests and assessments before going out on the line with an Instructor Operator.
Now that I have said all that, I very much doubt anything of this nature would ever occur. The public trust us and our drivers to be competent, professional, and above all safe at all times (and they are IMHO). An exercise of this nature would without a shadow of a doubt be picked up by the media and get widely reported upon. The resulting press attention would make the public question LU's responsibilities and that would be highly damaging.
In this day and age a Train Operator only has to reach for a cup of tea whilst driving for the press to pop their heads over a wall and take a photo. Next thing you know our staff are branded as reckless lunatics. Believe it or not LU do try hard to ensure that our frontline staff are given the respect that they rightly deserve and this type of proposal would not meet that desire.
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