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Post by jubileedaf on Feb 25, 2008 12:02:21 GMT
Why are so many people allowed to board trains in a ridiculously intoxicated and incoherent state when the By Laws clearly state that they're not permitted? I'm fed up at weekends of having the hassle of explaining to passengers the necessity of removing a train from passenger service either completley or until a cleaner can attend because someone has decided to remove their bodily waste and/or the contents of their stomaches! Last night I had to take a train out of service from the middle platform at North Greenwich when the service was already up the wall because some idiot had decided that the best place to eject their stomach was all over the floor of my train. It held up a train on the EB route waiting to get into the middle platform that my train was occupying and there was also an 8 min wait for the train in WB platform. As I had to walk back through the train in West Hampstead sidings I could not avoid seeing and smelling the vomit and it made me physically sick out of my cab door!! Not what you need after a meal break!! In addition after stabling at SMD I was waiting at Stratford for the last WB and there was a train in the middle platform with some semi concious moron hunched up on a seat in a pool of his own urine awaiting police to arrive. I think it's time we started enforcing the By Laws!! Station Staff PLEASE DO NOT LET THEM TRAVEL!! I know many of you do try to stop them entering the system as with the rude or abusive passengers only for your incompetent Surpervisor to override you and allow them entry any way (as was the case on numerous occasions when I worked on the stations) making you look like a fool that can't make decisions. Obviously it is a different matter if someone challenged becomes violent then staff need to get to a place of safety and police need to be called even if it means non-stopping the station until their arrival!! Oh and those idiots that think they will get on my train because they've managed to get a foot or a hand in between the doors as they close. Guess what YOU ARE BREAKING THE LAW by deliberatly obstructing the rail way. Therefor I will not be opening the doors so you can get on. I CAN WAIT A LOT LONGER THAN YOU!! If you take too long I will come down and help you to remove it!! REMEMBER YOU WAIT FOR THE TRAIN THE TRAIN DOES NOT WAIT FOR YOU!!! Last and first trains excluded!! Grrrrrrrr!!!  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2008 13:41:16 GMT
Bit unfair IMHO.
The majority of station staff are under a great pressure on a Thurs/ Fri/ Sat night to balance the needs of getting people home and to prevent people from travelling for their safety.
I think they do a thankless - but marvelous job in getting thousands of people home safely every weekend.
I also think you're doing SS's a huge injustice to claim that SS's do not support their staff. Yes some SS's are useless (as is every grade ) but please don't tar us all with the same brush please.
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Post by jubileedaf on Feb 25, 2008 15:28:18 GMT
Oh no don't get me wrong I wasn't refering to every SS but you have to admit there are a few out there!! And most CSA's also do a good job. I am just speaking from personal experience with some SS's who shall remain nameless that I have worked under. And as you will agree there are few of them out there!! Yes I totally agree there are some useless staff in every grade. I have always been of the opinion it doesn't matter how many tests you pass it doesn't necessarily mean you will be totally competent. On the other hand there are SS's who are straight out and stand up for staff. Obviously it also depends on the individuals involved on the outcome of any situation.
As an after thought..... Does anyone know if staff assaults have gone up or down since they made them silly hats non-compuslory??
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2008 15:46:36 GMT
Don't know about hats - but as to preventing every pi$$ed person travelling - that would put up staff assualts.
As for the "some SS" thing - I agree. EVERY grade on LU has it's own twats and idiots - now that is something we can agree on ;D
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Post by jubileedaf on Feb 25, 2008 16:41:19 GMT
Not every pi$$ed person SS Stig is incapable of travelling with out losing control of bodily functions lol. And those that are (usually the type that struggle to put one foot infront of the other and try to argue with automated annoncements) are generally unable to put up any kind of struggle apart from swearing and/or the classic "...d'ya know..I....(hic up, belch) love you mate..." types. The ones that are the most trouble are the genuine alchies. You Know the red nosed bloke with straggley hair and beard, carrying the can of Tenants Super and a carrier bag full of white spirit chasers, usually proud owner of a pi$$ riddled Donkey Jacket types.
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Post by metman on Feb 25, 2008 17:01:22 GMT
I think there should be on the spot fines for people found smoking on stations or trains-in the same way as a penality fare is issued! I'm sick of it-there was one kid smoking in between the cars the other week!
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Post by jubileedaf on Feb 25, 2008 17:28:21 GMT
Lol they do already metman it's called a 4 quid single ticket! A good trick that I found one Friday evening is if you see them on the outside stations smoking on the platform (worked particularly well on a late teens lad smoking a spliff on the tail end of the NB platform at Kilburn) is wait until you draw level with them and give a sharp blast on the train whistle and watch them jump!!! Then followed by " Passengers are reminded not to smoke any where on London Underground. Unless I missed the paragraph where it said everyone except you!" Then sit back and watch them go from a ghostly white following the shock of the train whistle to a nice deep red from embarassment!! Then on the jubbly I tend to rub it in by playing the auto announcer No Smoking message non-stop until they get off!
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Post by Colin on Feb 25, 2008 17:59:29 GMT
Every single member of operational staff can tell stories about thursday/friday/saturday nights 'till the cows come home' - it'll still happen. As to your last post, 'jubileedaf' (in fact the tail end of your opening post too) - you come across as someone who loves to make their job harder than it needs to be! EDIT: welcome to the forum, BTW!  |
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Post by Tomcakes on Feb 25, 2008 18:09:46 GMT
I think it's a more deep problem, in that why are there people who think it is fun/enjoyable to get drunk? I hear on a regular basis people talking about how they are going out to get drunk/hammered/sloshed/smashed/other ruder terms that whilst I've heard used by 13 year old girls, I won't repeat on here.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2008 19:40:45 GMT
Exactly Tomcakes. The day my year handed in our dissertations, I was in the computer room and this girl was pretty desperate to get pi$$ed after lectures.
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Post by william on Feb 25, 2008 20:07:10 GMT
As to your last post, 'jubileedaf' (in fact the tail end of your opening post too) - you come across as someone who loves to make their job harder than it needs to be!  I hope you are right Colin, if not, another year of duties will have jubileedaf climbing the walls. ;D |
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Post by jubileedaf on Feb 25, 2008 21:40:14 GMT
Lol Colin. No not at all mate all though I do get bored very easily. Quite frankly I like to make my job easier as I'm naturally lazy (that's why I wanted to drive trains)lol. All that walking about as a SA and backwards and fowards to the EXCESS FARE window as a SAMF. I have in the 7& 1/2 years that I have been with LUL not so much as had anyone launch a verbal let alone physical assault in my direction. Even when I have refused them travel and or confiscated their ticket. As I mentioned in an earlier post it depends on the individual(s) involved. You just have to be able to adapt to any given situation in order to gain control. The reason it will never end Tomcakes is because the stigma surrounding "Binge Drinking". If the government and all the other hoity toity groups didn't keep going on about it, the youngsters wouldn't do it so much. The same goes for drugs and smoking. Obviously the practices have been around all of us in some point in our lives but it was very rare for you to hear about it on the News and in papers unless it was some Rock Star or other. It is because of each generations almost primal need to rebel against the previous one it has become more visible. I mean how many times as a kid did you all do something just because you shouldn't? Some of us grow out of it some of us don't. But if there wasn't so many people going on about it, they'd have no one to rebel against thus making it boring. Unless they get a job in a suit and have a drink every night after work (which you would think would enhance their alcohol tolerance level) one sniff of a Smirnoff Ice and half of Calibur(alcohol free)then they've no need to rebel because they can take on the world and it's brother!!! A lot of it is to do with the lack of respect or discipline that kids seem to be bought up with these days. I mean when I was a teenager (not that long ago although it seems it) even if you had nothing to worry about you'd start panicking when ever a police car drove past. Now they chase the police cars down the road hurling stones and abuse. Quite frankly I am ashamed of the country the following generation will be born into!! I could rant on all night but alas I have to teach my 6 year old son how to swear and hold a knife in order that he might gain his Aggrevated assault with a Deadly Weapon badge. And so that my 18 month can have something to aspire to. Who is currently learning how to write his name on the form in the dole office! Bill mate I'm already climbing the walls!! What with the constant late running and short meal reliefs that seem to be the norm with WTT9!! Oh and Colin thanks for the welcome  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2008 21:50:20 GMT
You Know the red nosed bloke with straggley hair and beard, carrying the can of Tenants Super and a carrier bag full of white spirit chasers, usually proud owner of a pi$$ riddled Donkey Jacket types. TBH, in my time as a Guard / T/Op / DMT, the most obnoxious drunks were (generally) city types, wearing suits, who thought they were better than us blue collar LU workers. I would agree though, that dealing with the "regulars" was often less than pleasant!  ttr ps Welcome to DD! |
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Post by jubileedaf on Feb 25, 2008 22:09:28 GMT
Lol you mean Captain Gold Card and his entourage Monthly Ticket Man and The PAYG Kid?? Think the x amount they pay for travel makes them owner of the whole of TFL and it's employees?? Yes them be the more common, but to me offer the most comedy moments!! Nothing funnier than watching them waiving their tickets in the air at the gate line like the CSA is a waiter. Then falling over their own feet as they enter/exit the UTS gates!!
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Post by Tomcakes on Feb 25, 2008 23:42:41 GMT
You must not tar every young person with the same brush. Not every teenager wants to go out and get drunk, smash up shop windows and smoke on the top deck of the number 25 bus.
The media are squarely to blame for a lot of it. An element of society see football yobs, sorry, players, behaving idiotically and copy it. However, people will still do stupid things just because they can, and they think that doing so will somehow make them 'cool'.
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Post by jubileedaf on Feb 26, 2008 1:39:40 GMT
Yes Tomcakes I agree the media is to blame along with the government... They're the ones that pass the laws that don't allow parents to discipline their own children properly. I'm not condoning people that are spitful or hurt their children but a smack now and then never did me any harm!! Plus it completey negates the classic phrase my mother and I'm sure many other parents used to use :
" Do you want something to cry for?"
I wonder if any of us ever replied "Well only if it's not too much trouble Mum/Dad!"
I know in this day and age it can be difficult for parents to provide their kids with all the tools to be a decent,contributary member of public. But I feel there are many parents that just don't bother thus resulting in the media fuelled, foul mouthed, ASBO totting teens some have become.
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Post by suncloud on Feb 26, 2008 9:40:01 GMT
Not every teenager wants to ... smoke on the top deck of the number 25 bus. I assume that's the top of the single deck they have! |
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Post by william on Feb 26, 2008 10:53:08 GMT
Not every teenager wants to ... smoke on the top deck of the number 25 bus. I assume that's the top of the single deck they have! As it's a Hendy Bendy, the bus itself may have problems with smoking. ;D |
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Post by Tomcakes on Feb 26, 2008 11:42:43 GMT
Whoops - I promise you the Edinburgh 25 is definitely double deck clicky. Many parents seem to manage it fine - some appear useless, though. Like a kid who was running away from their mum the other day - she shouted "x, come here please!" - not "get here you little ****"  . I still think, though, that morons will be morons. It's seen as "cool" and "good" to be drunk, the police seem to think it is a victimless crime. I assure you, when you get woken up in the early hours on a regular basis because of drunks acting about outside your window, it is not amusing. |
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I hope you are right Colin, if not, another year of duties will have jubileedaf climbing the walls. ;D 
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