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May 5, 2007 6:45:27 GMT
Post by towerman on May 5, 2007 6:45:27 GMT
WTT 9 will now come in on Sunday 2nd September,basically the same as the one that should've come in this month without the late running Friday & Saturday.
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May 5, 2007 14:45:08 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 5, 2007 14:45:08 GMT
I hope the last Eastbound doesn't run any later - I'd be so pleased if it was a few mins earlier!
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May 5, 2007 14:51:35 GMT
Post by Tubeboy on May 5, 2007 14:51:35 GMT
Does WTT 9 factor in the third platform at Stanmore?
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May 5, 2007 16:22:24 GMT
Post by DWS on May 5, 2007 16:22:24 GMT
Does WTT 9 factor in the third platform at Stanmore? No, the third platform at Stanmore will not be in use until 2009. |
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May 5, 2007 20:25:48 GMT
Post by towerman on May 5, 2007 20:25:48 GMT
There will be a WTT 10 in May 2008 due to the opening of Stratford train crew depot.
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May 7, 2007 18:07:53 GMT
Post by citysig on May 7, 2007 18:07:53 GMT
Does WTT 9 factor in the third platform at Stanmore? No WTT 8 did that. Although nothing was "booked" into a third platform, the level of service at times was certainly designed on a "If it's ready, we'll have a enough trains to use it" plan. Whilst few will admit this, you only have to study the table to see it clearly was. The third platform has been put back to enable it to come into use when that section of line has moved from Baker Street Service Control Centre into Neasden Signal Cabin. It means they won't have to resignal so that we can control it, and then make further alterations to enable Neasden to control it. This actually was always the plan, but for a time it looked as though it would be years until the move, so we were going to have it. |
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May 8, 2007 19:21:06 GMT
Post by jr on May 8, 2007 19:21:06 GMT
Hmm, i thought Stratford already had a booking on point, what with the main depot being there.  Could someone please list the booking on points for the Jubilee? |
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May 8, 2007 20:10:36 GMT
Post by DWS on May 8, 2007 20:10:36 GMT
Hmm, i thought Stratford already had a booking on point, what with the main depot being there. Could someone please list the booking on points for the Jubilee? North Greenwich & Wembley Park are the only Train Operator booking on points on the Jubilee Line. |
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May 8, 2007 20:58:45 GMT
Post by citysig on May 8, 2007 20:58:45 GMT
All that said, don't expect the new WTT to change significantly just because a new train crew depot opens.
When Hammersmith reopened on the H&C the main changes were related to Train Operator duties, and not train services. A new timetable is naturally issued to make sure everything lines up.
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May 9, 2007 3:13:13 GMT
Post by Colin on May 9, 2007 3:13:13 GMT
Indeed. We had 20 or so train op positions move from Acton Town to Earls Court on the District last summer - the only timetable change was sending one of the Olympia trains to Wimbledon during the morning peak (which pleased the Olympia punters no end  ). That was down to Justine Greening, MP for Putney. Do you remember her victory speech when she won her seat in the last general election? "I'm gonna sort out the District line. The service is appalling". Well I'm still waiting love  ;D ;D ;D (oh yeah, nice to see you took a train away from other District line customers creating a lovely situation for us staff deal with). Nice one  |
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May 9, 2007 18:39:28 GMT
Post by towerman on May 9, 2007 18:39:28 GMT
The timings of early/late staff trains may change as the drivers are coming from a different direction.
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May 10, 2007 7:52:28 GMT
Post by happybunny on May 10, 2007 7:52:28 GMT
Hmm, i thought Stratford already had a booking on point, what with the main depot being there. Could someone please list the booking on points for the Jubilee? North Greenwich & Wembley Park are the only Train Operator booking on points on the Jubilee Line. Drivers also book on at Stanmore on a daily basis, and Neasden |
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Aug 10, 2007 1:12:59 GMT
Post by towerman on Aug 10, 2007 1:12:59 GMT
Just an update,obtained a copy of WTT9,train numbering has been altered:301 to 316 Stratford-Stanmore service M-F.320 to 351 Stratford-Stanmore/Wembley/Willesden Green service M-F.Offpeak stablers SMD 360 to 367,Neasden 370 to 372.
Saturday & Sunday 301 to 341 Stratford-Stanmore service,350 to 357 Stratford-Wembley/Willesden Green service.373 is the extra that runs for events at Wembley Stadium.
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Aug 11, 2007 10:15:36 GMT
Post by citysig on Aug 11, 2007 10:15:36 GMT
Yes and no real improvement / reduction in trains on the Stanmore branch. In fact in places there's an increase. Obviously still having problems counting the number of platforms up there.
You would think that on weekends, when the service is running totally Stanmore-Stratford, that the timetable writers would hear bells ringing. At Stratford they have trains using platforms 13, 14 and 15, and at Stanmore they have them using platforms 1,2 and...oh dear ;D
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Sept 7, 2007 18:27:41 GMT
Post by towerman on Sept 7, 2007 18:27:41 GMT
WTT 9 doesn't appear to be relieving the congestion between Stanmore & Wembley,we've had layovers in every evening this week.Mind you,it sometimes depends on whose on at NSCC,some shifts seem to be able to manage without resorting to putting trains away.
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Sept 9, 2007 11:00:59 GMT
Post by citysig on Sept 9, 2007 11:00:59 GMT
...depends on whose on at NSCC,some shifts seem to be able to manage without resorting to putting trains away. Without expanding too much, we've known this for 7 years ;D |
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Oct 19, 2007 19:38:16 GMT
Post by kenp76 on Oct 19, 2007 19:38:16 GMT
I heard today that there is to be a meeting regarding wtt9.As a driver I am fed up with it.Shorter meal reliefs and lots of late finishes.
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Oct 19, 2007 19:48:17 GMT
Post by towerman on Oct 19, 2007 19:48:17 GMT
There's supposed to be a WTT10 next May in connection with the opening of the train crew depot at Stratford,but while LUL are locked into this 24tph agreement,with the existing signalling,nothing much is going to improve.
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Nov 12, 2007 7:30:59 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2007 7:30:59 GMT
I heard today that there is to be a meeting regarding wtt9.As a driver I am fed up with it.Shorter meal reliefs and lots of late finishes. If more drivers should put trains in the nearest sidings or depots once they are over their time then maybe they would do something about WTT9 |
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Nov 12, 2007 15:57:28 GMT
Post by citysig on Nov 12, 2007 15:57:28 GMT
If more drivers should put trains in the nearest sidings or depots once they are over their time then maybe they would do something about WTT9 Why? I think they would turn their attention to the militant train crews rather than the timetable. You need to operate the timetable to prove it doesn't work, not remove trains from service - leaving huge gaps for the remaining trains to run in and pick up time, subsequently proving the timetable does work |
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Nov 12, 2007 20:06:39 GMT
Post by superteacher on Nov 12, 2007 20:06:39 GMT
Maybe some people are so convinced that a timetable won't work, that they give up even trying. Most drivers are hard working, but a few are certainly more committed to their own needs than that of the railway and passengers. Point in case - train sitting in platform at North Greenwich for 3 minutes - no driver. The service had been disrupted, so maybe the driver was delayed, or it may have been a relief driver. The driver was sauntering up to the cab in no hurry whatsoever. The delay may not have been his fault, but there's no need to take the mickey. And then, in the cab, not a word of apology. Now again, it may not have been his fault, but a little courtesy costs nothing.
As for stabling trains when drivers go over their time, that may be proving a point to management, but causes major inconvenience to passengers. I wish that my job had a maximum working time limit!
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Nov 16, 2007 18:27:38 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2007 18:27:38 GMT
If more drivers should put trains in the nearest sidings or depots once they are over their time then maybe they would do something about WTT9 Why? I think they would turn their attention to the militant train crews rather than the timetable. You need to operate the timetable to prove it doesn't work, not remove trains from service - leaving huge gaps for the remaining trains to run in and pick up time, subsequently proving the timetable does work What is militant about working to the framework agreement? If you were constantly late every day then wouldn't you want to make a point? Yes, I realise that it not very pleasant for the passengers but then neither is it pleasant for the driver. London Underground will NEVER change a timetable unnecessarily as long as they see that trains are still running in service. Once they see that trains are being taken out of service then MAYBE, just maybe they'll think about making some changes to WTT9 and make them permanent in WTT10 |
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Nov 17, 2007 2:04:23 GMT
Post by Colin on Nov 17, 2007 2:04:23 GMT
What actually matters is the 'snapshots'.
If there are supposed to xx number of trains in service at 0900, and those trains are, well the fine detail doesn't matter. You could have severe delays, but if the 'snapshot' has the right number of trains out on the line somewhere, all is good.
That's the impression I'm often left with anyway.
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Nov 17, 2007 2:24:59 GMT
Post by c5 on Nov 17, 2007 2:24:59 GMT
Well snapshots are the key indicators and contribute towards senior management targets (not the same that rank and file work to though! AFAIK) and all attempts are often made to have the highest number not attributed to having an ONA [Train] Operator Not Available, or other LUL reason. On the face of it it seems like a win win for customers, a target to get all the trains in service at key times. There have been times when trains have been brought into service for a few minutes, just to meet the snapshot!  There are other targets such as the journey time metric, based on headways and weighted journey times. The refusal to put out minor/severe delay messages is more of a PR stunt rather than a business target. I have to say that the cancellation of trains, due to short meal reliefs is one way to change a timetable, but it must be attributed as such or as usual it will just keep being brushed under the very large carpet! |
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