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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2006 7:06:58 GMT
Are there many Northern Line shifts that involve a lot of travelling (on cushions) these days? I'm just thinking about a conversation with a Golders Green T/Op about 8 years ago where he mentioned his driving day actually finished at Morden
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2006 17:43:34 GMT
Theres a few GGR duties that i am aware of that involve this. This one is Mondays - Fridays only, and late evening. Finish on T031 at Golders on the s/b. Travel To East Finchley. Pick up on the n/b hour and a half later. Travel time of 45 minutes, plus grub-stop and waiting time for your train.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2006 17:21:31 GMT
A bit like the buses. I saw a 263 run from Potters Bar garage, empty to Archway. 10 miles! crazy
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2006 17:24:35 GMT
A bit like the buses. I saw a 263 run from Potters Bar garage, empty to Archway. 10 miles! crazy But in the case of the tube, the trains arn't empty.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2006 15:22:07 GMT
during that time, is the driver allowed to take the train he has handed over but travel in the cab. Can a driver travel in a cab as long as he has some sort of LU ID? for example if he is off work and travelling in the rush hour could he use the cab to have a bit more space?
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Post by Tubeboy on Jul 9, 2006 15:32:42 GMT
Yes it does happen, seen it a few times at East Finchley. Diverging slightly, and am sure its on another thread, no one is supposed to be in the cab apart from someone carrying out their duty. I have been in a cab in the course of my duty. A lot of the time, drivers, who are bored and want a chat will let you travel up front. Have a few mates on the Northern as drivers, will only travel with them when in uniform, saves aggro all round. Cab permits are still issued by the way. As for drivers travelling in the cab on their rest days, well I dont know about that being on the stations side, but I've never seen it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2006 15:56:07 GMT
Well, some days I welcome a chin wag, even if it's only a few stops. Just a hello is nice. sometimes see CSA's etc standing at headwalls, thinking they wanna say summat about a camera not working. I open the door to say hello and am greeted with total animosity on the odd occasion. others are friendly, some just stand there, mutter a few words and then dissappear.
In earshot of the person who dinnae speak: "Well, yes I'm fine thanks, and how are you today Driver?" [voice change] "Oh Yes, I'm very well thank you. And you?" Often get a completely fed up look and a shake of the head....
Classic!!!
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Post by Tubeboy on Jul 9, 2006 16:39:35 GMT
Same other way round, there are some right grumpy train ops out there. Good idea they dont work on the stations!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2006 16:52:53 GMT
Same other way round, there are some right grumpy train ops out there. Good idea they dont work on the stations! Yus, know of a few 'miserys' T/Op too. And like the csa I met at Covent Garden 'bout three years ago. Group of tourists asking for directions to Harrods: rather bulky CSA booms: "Westbound Piccadilly, five stops, go out the Brompton Road exit" Sees me in uniform and just looks at me as if to say "I'm too old for this sh*t"
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2006 16:58:46 GMT
who are cab permits issued to?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2006 18:23:15 GMT
Any member of staff who has a need to travel in the cab, basically
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Post by Tubeboy on Jul 9, 2006 18:37:31 GMT
Not Joe public I am afraid. Even as staff, you cant just go into a cab, despite having a solid gold J door key!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2006 20:50:50 GMT
but if you are travelling to your station to work, with the drivers consent, could you ride with him?
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Post by Tubeboy on Jul 9, 2006 20:53:45 GMT
Yeah, have done it loads of times, in full uniform though.
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Post by agoodcuppa on Jul 9, 2006 22:03:32 GMT
but if you are travelling to your station to work, with the drivers consent, could you ride with him? Only if in uniform, in possession of a permit allowing entry to the cab and with good reason for being there. Anything else is liable to get both T/Op and the unauthorised person in trouble. However, few managers would bother taking action unless there was something else amiss.
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Post by Colin on Jul 10, 2006 21:28:40 GMT
However, few managers would bother taking action unless there was something else amiss. There are some good managers out there. There are also some very strict managers out there. As a train operator, all of my managers fall into the second satement - so to everyone reading this forum, let's be clear: if you have no official reason and no official 'paper permission' to be in a driving cab, you really shouldn't be there. Disciplinary action can be taken against drivers that do have unauthorised persons in the cab - so please do keep this in mind.
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Post by Oracle on Jul 10, 2006 21:39:03 GMT
Colin, I would be very concerned if I was a LUL employee catching a ride, in uniform or not, having been found in the cab with no official excuse and permission. Does that make sense?
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Post by Colin on Jul 10, 2006 21:51:05 GMT
Yes, I understand what you are getting at.
Ultimately though, the train operator is responsible as they are in control of the train - my point is (especially train company staff) that if you ought not to be there, please consider the fact you are putting the train operator in a compromising position......
That said, yes, most train operators (myself included) rarely refuse uniformed staff 'a ride' - as long as it is considered a privilege and the train operator can explain themselves should the need arise.
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Post by Oracle on Jul 10, 2006 21:58:34 GMT
Quite so. I would comment "You may not appreciate it, but the operator may feel unable to refuse a request and thus put themselves [as you succinctly put it] in a very compromising position."
In the past I have heard of operators being suspended as a result of unauthorised cab rides being granted. However I would respectfully add that if you should not be there, think whether you might be disciplined as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2006 22:42:41 GMT
I think practice differs by line, but on the District it is generally accepted that drivers can ride in the cab on their way to/from work, if the driver of the train agrees.
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