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Post by londonstuff on Mar 16, 2008 20:10:48 GMT
As I was getting on a n/b train from Pimlico this afternoon, I noticed that the driver had a breathing mask (the white things that go over the nose and mouth, like cycle courriers wear) on. Is this a normal/common occurrence does anyone know, or was it for a special reason?
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Post by Tubeboy on Mar 16, 2008 21:20:38 GMT
I saw a T/op wearing one on the Vic about 10 years ago, the line is very dusty, it doesnt look good when a driver enters a station wearing one though.
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Post by ianvisits on Mar 16, 2008 22:38:43 GMT
So long as they don't drop from the ceiling in the carriages when the train has an accident.
I think that would be a bit worrying.
I wonder if there is a lifejacket under the seats.
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Post by Rich32 on Mar 16, 2008 23:21:06 GMT
There are one or two T/ops that wear dust masks on the Vic, can't say I blame them, after 1 1/2 hours of platform duty, you have a very funny taste in your mouth from the 'tunnel air'. Quite a few of the Sisters drivers have odd/strange accoutrements - large ear defenders being the most common - again I can understand as to why, but whether it looks good to the punters is another question all together.
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Post by towerman on Mar 17, 2008 0:11:02 GMT
Used to be a driver on the Central always wore those white cotton gloves when he drove.Also,on the 62TS water used to get in under the side cab doors and cause fungi to appear in the corners,the same guy claimed his wife,who was a nurse,told him that the fungi was injurous to health and he always insisted on it being cleand off the cab floor before he would take the train into service.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2008 0:22:29 GMT
I have seen a driver on the Vic doing this as well, plus latex gloves, and quite frankly I think they should find another job... You don't apply for a job when you know what the environment on the Underground is like, and then go and wear a face mask or make complaints about it.
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Post by metman on Mar 17, 2008 0:36:44 GMT
Indeed, its good to get that immune system working!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2008 0:56:47 GMT
Used to be a driver on the Central always wore those white cotton gloves when he drove. All train drivers wear white gloves in Japan.
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Post by Chris M on Mar 17, 2008 0:58:48 GMT
I've seen a female T/op wearing a single black, presumably leather, glove. I think this was on the Circle Line.
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Post by metman on Mar 17, 2008 1:02:29 GMT
I've seen a lot of t/ops wearing gloves on their tbc hands. Chris, it's interesting you mention that, it's the Circle Line I've seen it on the most too! I guess, there is a lot of stop-start so, like a golfing glove, it is for protection!
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Post by Chris M on Mar 17, 2008 1:11:47 GMT
Could it be something to do with the design of the tbc on a C stock?
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Post by glasgowdriver on Mar 17, 2008 2:19:52 GMT
Used to be a driver on the Central always wore those white cotton gloves when he drove.Also,on the 62TS water used to get in under the side cab doors and cause fungi to appear in the corners,the same guy claimed his wife,who was a nurse,told him that the fungi was injurous to health and he always insisted on it being cleand off the cab floor before he would take the train into service. a driver driving on the central god that will be the day haha i have yet to see a driver actually drive the train in manual lol
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Post by Chris M on Mar 17, 2008 3:06:36 GMT
If you only use the Central Line between Leytonstone and White City then you are unlikely to, as this is only normally done when ATO is unavailable for some reason. East or west of these stations then manual is mandatory at weekends (and bank holidays iirc) and optional at other times. So drivers do know how to drive.
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Post by stuartpalmer on Mar 17, 2008 10:09:51 GMT
None of this is as worrying as the Northern Line driver I saw last year wearing iPod earplugs!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2008 16:33:51 GMT
Someone on the Pic wears these massive Yellow ear defenders... I don't bother with all the protective accoutrements.
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Post by william on Mar 17, 2008 16:45:38 GMT
Someone on the Pic wears these massive Yellow ear defenders... I don't bother with all the protective accoutrements. Having suffered, and still do from time to time, from tinnitus myself, I can sympathise with those who feel they need to wear ear defenders, But from my experience unless the DB's are at a dangerous level it's not a good idea to wear them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2008 17:42:16 GMT
In wearing them, you could risk missing an inportant message from the controller... OTOH, track noise tends to drown out the radio anyway!
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Post by william on Mar 17, 2008 18:41:35 GMT
In wearing them, you could risk missing an inportant message from the controller... OTOH, track noise tends to drown out the radio anyway! Oh well, there's bound to be a clever dick scientist who will invent a mini microchip that can be implanted in our heads to receive the important information regardless of outside interference. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2008 20:14:38 GMT
I was a driver on the Bakerloo when it was compulsory for us to wear ear defenders due to the Db levels and the fact that (this was before they were modded and air con put in the cabs) the lack of any kind of ventilation system meant you really HAD to drive with the windows open at least a bit or you boiled! Anyway I used the little pluggy ones provided......and ended up with very nasty impacted ear wax! If I were to go back on the trains I'd definitely go for the headphone-type ones - wouldn't do without, I already have tinnitus!
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Post by william on Mar 17, 2008 20:27:33 GMT
I was a driver on the Bakerloo when it was compulsory for us to wear ear defenders due to the Db levels and the fact that (this was before they were modded and air con put in the cabs) the lack of any kind of ventilation system meant you really HAD to drive with the windows open at least a bit or you boiled! Anyway I used the little pluggy ones provided......and ended up with very nasty impacted ear wax! If I were to go back on the trains I'd definitely go for the headphone-type ones - wouldn't do without, I already have tinnitus! Yup, I did the same and had the same results, yes the headphone types are much better, but as I have said, unless it harmful, you are better off without, as they will only increase the tinnitus.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2008 7:41:59 GMT
I think everyone who takes the tube should wear them in theory. Blowing your nose after a trip is always a nice thing to do...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2008 10:09:55 GMT
A lot of drivers wear gloves. I wear them in the winter for C stock because they're so cold and draughty, but some wear them all the time because they don't want to pick up germs. Others wrap something around the TBC to avoid touching it.
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Post by Tubeboy on Mar 18, 2008 10:12:29 GMT
A lot of drivers wear gloves. I wear them in the winter for C stock because they're so cold and draughty, but some wear them all the time because they don't want to pick up germs. Others wrap something around the TBC to avoid touching it. I suppose over a period of time, the skin would harden as well.
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Post by memorex on Mar 18, 2008 12:10:23 GMT
I remember standing at Tottenham Hale last March during the peak. In comes a train... driver is wearing a face mask, eye goggles and ear defenders... the look of everyone on the platform? Priceless!
I do think it's a bit bad. If air pollution/noise levels on the tube are that bad, then something should be done, as I can understand drivers having equipment when they drive all day, but what about passengers on long journey who regularly make trips? And if they're at safe levels, then drivers shouldn't really be allowed to wear stuff which is quickly going to be visible by passengers. It's like that Victoria line train once that ran without a driver - passengers see it and don't like it, whether or not it poses any danger to them.
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Post by metman on Mar 18, 2008 12:19:51 GMT
Problem with a Vic train without a driver is there's nobody to open the doors at the next station-you'd have to talk someone on the platform into using the butterfly cocks!!
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Post by undergroundernie on Mar 20, 2008 22:09:22 GMT
I noticed in the warmer weather particularly at kings cross the movement of the train creates a fine haze that blows down the platform. One thing that was noted during the testing of the 09s was the amount of dust that had settled on the bodywork upon return to the depot after a brief test run.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2008 22:31:17 GMT
The different bodywork profile will cause dust movements in places that aren't touched by the current trains.
When the 73ts were introduced, their different bodywork profile caused alot of dust previously untouched to start circulating round the tunnel. This caused some overheating (and small fires?) as equipment (the resistances?) became covered in dust and the filters couldn't cope.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2008 22:57:56 GMT
The Victoria Line has the highest level of airbourne particles on the whole underground and owing to the faster train speeds is also the noisiest. The fact the Victoria Line surfaces only at Northumberland Park means dust and dirt really have nowhere to go, the tunnel cleaning train had for some time been notable by it's absence. Wearing of face masks is deemed unnecessary by LUL, however the colour of your shirt collar not to mention the contents of ones nose after a shift suggests otherwise ! Ear defenders are provided by LUL at all depots, though the Victoria Line had a machine to dispense them ! Some drivers prefer the "road worker" type to official issue though ! I have seen a driver on the Vic doing this as well, plus latex gloves, and quite frankly I think they should find another job... You don't apply for a job when you know what the environment on the Underground is like, and then go and wear a face mask or make complaints about it.
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Post by undergroundernie on Mar 20, 2008 23:20:54 GMT
I have actually seen people come into the depot and take dust samples from the interior and exterior of the cars so it is something that is monitered periodically I guess if there were any real issues measures would be taken to eliminate any risks.
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Post by metman on Mar 21, 2008 1:01:20 GMT
Perhaps a unit of 67ts should be converted into a new tunnel cleaning train?
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