Are the 67ts as fast as the 92ts??

As Stephen says, the basic answer to the question is 'no' - but the Vic has a few aspects which can even the running style out as opposed to the Central.

The Vic, being built in the 1960's, was purpose built with no sharp curves or severe gradients, meaning trains can use faster speeds more of the time. Also (I think) every platform is straight and trains can approach/leave these quicker also. It is a very quick line (Brixton - Wal in 35 mins - try that by road ).

The 92's have the advantage of having all of their axles motored. Imagine a 67 with the same - it'd be a very fast train. The EP braking on a 67 is very good also.

As for speeds, I think the fastest a 67 in service will go is around 47.5 mph, while a 92 will do 85 kph - or 52.8 mph. The 92's used to so 100 kph - 62.5 mph - but this was restricted after the Chancery Lane derailment.

One stock not to forget about is the 96's - even though they're not ATO yet they're quick - I've been on the front of one along the extension doing 58 mph With ATO this will also be a very fast line.

Don't forget the new 09's - those things will be mental. I hope a few examples of 1967 stock survive, they've served an incredibly busy line well for 40 years

Ah....I see! Thanks for that post SK, I never realised this limited what could be done. Looking at it now it makes sense, but it's never occurred to me before.

I would agree.

Hi guys,

Thanks for all the info.
But i have decided that the 67ts is in it's self an experience to ride!
It maybe slower than other stocks slightly perhaps but as it's so old it gives you a sort of unsteadyness feeling!!


Cheers
James

i can't say i like the 67TS much, although granted, it has served well... the 92TS... great stuff!! but the Wimbledon Trams.. i hate them anyway but they have too violent accelleration for comfort... the amount of times i have been on one and someone has fallen over and caused delay to the service and damage to themselves.

58mph on a 96TS? Whenever I rode them, they felt much slower than the 92TS in acceleration so I was under the impression they too, were de-tuned like the 95s on the Northern.

I was always under the impression that the 67TS has around the same performance as the 73TS (which incidentially loses to the D stock on a drag race).

The 67 will never match the 92...you need to take a ride up to Epping one day to feel the speed!

Just remembered - in post 2 of this thread, I state a 92 will do 85kph.......I believe this to be the case in Auto. I'm led to believe that in Coded Manual the 100 kph can still be achieved.

Not East from EAB you won't!

Whats a hundred K's when were at home?? Speak English man!

Hmmm - I wish someone would tell this to the bus drivers in London!

Try: eh.net/hmit/

Well the best way of seeing if a 67 is faster than a 92 is send one along the West Ruislip branch, 92s usually give it a bit of welly along there. Theydon Bois to Epping is another one, but 67s do not have high lift shoegear to get there via Liverpool Street.

Just to remind the 1980 Auto Tube Rambler took an 8-car 1967 Stock on the Central. I don't remember it travelling incredibly fast though up to the "loop". Contrast that with the 1959 Stock tour that was driven in places with "Welly" especially down hill into the tunnels and on one occasion I swore we were going to come off the rails. I

The best contender in the future would possibly be the 1995ts, after the increase to 750volts