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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2006 16:52:56 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks that today's Victoria Line timetable was not the best choice of action?
Having to do double duty as both the link to the Northern Line's marooned southern section AND as the primary Underground link to Victoria Station, the line was absolutely rammed, nearly as badly as the weekday peak! Yet the line seemed to be running at best a 3-minute service with all trains terminating at Walthamstow.
Why was it not possible to turn some trains at Seven Sisters or Victoria (or even at KXStP!) to provide a higher frequency over the southern section between Victoria and KX?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2006 19:34:59 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks that today's Victoria Line timetable was not the best choice of action? Having to do double duty as both the link to the Northern Line's marooned southern section AND as the primary Underground link to Victoria Station, the line was absolutely rammed, nearly as badly as the weekday peak! Yet the line seemed to be running at best a 3-minute service with all trains terminating at Walthamstow. Why was it not possible to turn some trains at Seven Sisters or Victoria (or even at KXStP!) to provide a higher frequency over the southern section between Victoria and KX? I don't know why it was done like this, but I certainly agree that it was chaos this afternoon. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2006 20:56:44 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks that today's Victoria Line timetable was not the best choice of action? Having to do double duty as both the link to the Northern Line's marooned southern section AND as the primary Underground link to Victoria Station, the line was absolutely rammed, nearly as badly as the weekday peak! Yet the line seemed to be running at best a 3-minute service with all trains terminating at Walthamstow. Why was it not possible to turn some trains at Seven Sisters or Victoria (or even at KXStP!) to provide a higher frequency over the southern section between Victoria and KX? From memory, I don't think there was any special timetable operating on the Victoria Line (no engineering works on the Victoria Line), so it was the normal working timetable for a Sunday - which is a train every three minutes between Brixton and Seven Sisters, and I think there are some Seven Sisters reversers through the day, so you may have missed them, or maybe the service was recovering from disruption. Its not unheard of for lines to have their services increased with special timetables to provide capacity when other lines have closures - for example the H+C has enhanced services every now and then...but the Northern Line engineering works at Stockwell was too short notice for a special Victoria Line timetable. From my travels, the Victoria Line has always suffered continuous congestion and heavy crowds on the weekend at Victoria and Oxford Circus stations. Not throughout the day, but at certain core times, the Victoria Line could benefit from a increase in service, but that would require more trains and operators during the weekend, which isn't readily available. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2006 21:00:37 GMT
Just to add, I just read on Stations board about the Victoria Line signalling failing - so there must have been some disruption to the service which contributed to large part of all the grief today.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2006 0:18:19 GMT
Just to add another thing! ;D
There was alot of extra traffic on the Victoria Line Sunday just gone, as it appeared to be the alternative route for most of the engineering works taking place...Northern Line: Stockwell - Kennington, Camden Town - East Finchley, a reduced service on the rest of the Northern line, District and Circle Lines: Earls Court - Whitechapel, and I believe the Picc trains were not stopping at Kings Cross as well for CTRL works.
All adding to the Victoria Line congestion. Sometimes there can be too many closures on the network that are dependent on a single alternative route, and I don't think its appreciated that when there is a shutdown on one part of the line, it usually forces a reduced service on the rest of it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2006 0:21:02 GMT
Which I stated in my OP, which also asked why it was not possible to increase the service to weekday peak levels to compensate.
Your earlier comment about the short notice nature of the possession, and the subsequent inability to write a TTN and find T/Ops to read it, answers my question.
Still, I think that something should have been tried...
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Post by tubeprune on Nov 20, 2006 9:48:10 GMT
Just to add, I just read on Stations board about the Victoria Line signalling failing - so there must have been some disruption to the service which contributed to large part of all the grief today. There were no recorded signal failures on the Vic yesterday but the cops were searching a train for a suspect at Stockwell about 10:00 and this put 15 minutes delay into the service. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2006 16:30:58 GMT
When the Hammersmith and City gains an enhanced service it is managed at the expense of Circle line trains which are subject to a part shutdown (thus providing stock and crews).
Otherwise the provision of extra rolling stock on a Sunday would require contractual variations and thus no doubt lots of money with Metronet. Also there is only a very limited capacity to generate extra Train Operators using those drivers in the "pool" who are not rostered specific days for working. They could then be allocated special Sunday turns, Victoria Line has about 30 or so "pool operators" of which i guess about 25 could be made available. Though that would be at the expense of covering otherwise uncovered weekday turns. It would not be sufficient to run a weekday type service, but may make some enhancement possible !
In the absence of volunteers New Years Eve night "extra" trains are covered using operators with lowest "seniority" ie. Pool operators first then lowest ranking rostered operators next.
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