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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2006 11:45:53 GMT
What time does stepping back cease at Brixton? I was under the impression that it stops around 1930 M - F and 1830 SAT. Is this more or less correct? Also am I right in assuming that there is none on Sunday?
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Post by subwayrail on Mar 8, 2006 15:10:34 GMT
Last Brixton step-backs:
M-F around 22:00hrs
Sat around 22:30
Sun around 19:00
As you can see, step-backs do occur on Sundays, but finish earlier than the rest of the week. The very last Sunday step-back actually takes place at Seven Sisters around 19:15hrs.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2006 17:50:47 GMT
Seven Sisters? I didn't know they took place there. The step backs also finish a lot later than I thought as well, and I didn't think they took place Sundays. Has this taken place for very long? I got a glance through a 2002 WTT once and that's where I based my post from. Things certainly seem more complicated now.
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Post by subwayrail on Mar 8, 2006 19:15:16 GMT
I was still an SA in 2002, and not on a Vic line station, so I don't know what the situation was then.
Sunday step-backs at Seven Sisters are very much the exception. I only know of two duties where this happens - the one already mentioned plus another much earlier in the day, just after 11:00hrs. That one happens because the first half of the duty would exceed the 4h 15min max time on the handle. The step-back gives the driver half an hour off the train, in line with relevant rules.
I wonder if this is the longest step-back on the tube? You could argue that this is really a break, but our duty books show it as a step-back.
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Post by Colin on Mar 9, 2006 0:12:35 GMT
We (Acton at least) have step backs at the weekends on the District, which all take place at Earls Court. They're not neccesarily in the same direction - which is interesting as some of them allow only 10 mins between trains!! The longest gap is 37 minutes on a sunday duty.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2006 6:22:33 GMT
We (Acton at least) have step backs at the weekends on the District, which all take place at Earls Court. They're not neccesarily in the same direction - which is interesting as some of them allow only 10 mins between trains!! The longest gap is 37 minutes on a sunday duty. This is not the stepping back that is refered to. Certain terminus on the combine (Aldgate, Brixton, Waterloo, Bank, Elephant, Morden) have stepping back where the driver brings in a train, the previous driver takes it out straight away whilst the driver walks up the platform, he then takes the next one out almost as soon as it is brought in, and that driver walks up the platform and takes the next, etc. This allows very quick turnarounds. |
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Post by mandgc on Mar 9, 2006 23:47:47 GMT
There is a difference between genuine ' Stepping Back' at a terminal to reduce turn round time and the other instances metioned which I think are properly merely ' Rostering arrangements'.
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Post by mandgc on Mar 9, 2006 23:54:26 GMT
Oops, Sorry Jim!
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Post by Colin on Mar 10, 2006 0:00:52 GMT
I am well aware of what constitutes 'proper stepping back' - Seven Sisters was mentioned (hardly a terminus), and it was in that vien that my comments were meant.
In any case, wether propper or not, the duties that get off one train and then pick up another minutes later, are referred to as 'step backs' at our depot.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2006 0:18:56 GMT
They are both step backs.
The one's Jim refers too are to get quick turnaround of trains and are generally very short, the others are to facilitate timetable or duty workings and can be long or short.
When I was on the Victoria (until 2004) there was only stepping back Mon - Fri then they made it later and included Sat. I knew sun was coming and they were talking about doing it at Walthamstow too - did that ever happen ? Step backs involved way too much driving seat winding and repositioning ....took ages !!!
The step backs at Sisters were the same type as on the District. There were just the very odd few of them.
The longest step back I can find is Sunday District Upminster duty, 528, at Earl's Court, 51 mins from 17.19 to 18.10. Longer in fact than the meal break which is 19.07 - 19.54 at 47 mins.
Where as Upminster Sunday 521 has a very short stepback from train 14 to train 15 !!
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