a Idea: ATO on Bakerloo Line

Weren't the C stock and 72ts designed with ATO in mind as they had an 'Auto' position on the controller? Hence why some cab controls were in odd places.

It's not just a case of sending the 67TS to the Bakerloo - the line would need to be resignalled as well. Don't think it's worth the hassle - best wait until the line is upgraded and gets its own new stock.

It would be a waste on money. ATO is required to increase line capacity. The Bakerloo doesn't need extra capacity.



Not quite. The Jubilee, Northern, and Victoria are having ATO systems currently installed or in the late stages of planning. The SSL ATOing was being planned, but are now delayed for re-tendering. The Piccadilly will be ATO'ed in the early-mid 10s, and the Bakerloo is likely to be ATO'ed in the late 10's.

Modern ATO systems allow for increased line capacity, and are safer than manually driven operation. The ATP utilised is also continuous, unlike train stops which are an intermittent form of ATP.

Actually, it does. The line is being worked to capacity now, which is why the line has (or at least had) such a SPAD problem on the approaches to Queen's Park and Elephant.

Whatever happens, the Bakerloo won't go ATO beofre resignalling, which is still some seven years away at least.

Sorry, I'll rephrase myself. It is run to the limit of it's signalling capacity, but it still far from maximum passenger capacity.

How easy would it have been to retro-fit ATO to the 72 mk2s?
Before they were totally converted to OPO, I recall them having most of the same controlls in the cabs as the '67 stock - including the "lever" door controls (pull up to open, down to close) and "start" buttons on the dashboard (although, oddly, only on the rigth hand side and not also on the drivers' side in the way the '67 stock does).

I wonder how "ready" they were to have a Victoria line-type ATO system installed? Given how they started life on the Jubilee - which was originally intended to have just such an ATO, surely it wouldn't have been a "start-from-scratch" job?

I think it is probably the least crowded of all the tube lines. I used it quite often from 2004-2006 (Queens Park and Elephant) and managed to get a seat on approx 80% of commutes. Compare that to my commutes on the Jubilee, Victoria, and Northern Lines where the chance of getting a seat was almost nil. On the Victoria Line (NB Victoria) the chance of getting on the next train was sometimes nil!

The Met is quite busy between Wembley Park and Baker Street in the am peak. The internal layout of the A stock doesn't help though as trains get crowded quite easily by standees once the seats are filled.