The latter years of the Watford services

I've got virtually every Bakerloo timetable from 1960 - 1986: if you want more detail than mackenzieblu has posted then I can probably provide it down to train numbers.

However I'm currently 400 miles away from the LU Library at home, so the information isn't immediately to hand.

<from memory> In general terms over the period of the 4 Watfords the trains left Croxley Green did a trip up one branch to get them into the pattern of the other branch, finished the day off on the branch they didn't first go north on and generally ended up at London Road.

Over the period of the 4 trains 3 were generally 'changeover' during the week and only one out of the 4 ended up back at Croxley Green.

Even when there were 4 weekend Watfords running, these neither originated or terminated at Croxley Green.

There was no general set pattern, apart from first North to (say) QP, rest of day to S and vice versa.

In the evenings all Watfords originated that trip at Elephant.

</from memory>

Hope that answers your question - can give a bit more detail if you want, but honestly don't know when; sorry.

EDIT: occasionally the Croxley stabler at night (same number that started off there in the morning) was also a Neasden interpeak stabler - so it would changeover via Neasden and therefore wasn't the same train. I've also found this file extract in the depths of my computer:

WTT 54 11/10/65

51 0719 CG W 0729-34 94 W 1815-22 1832 CG
52 0728 CG W 0738-51 55 W 1828-34 1844 CG
53 0743 CG W 0753-0805 81 W 1835-40 1850 CG
54 0803 CG W 0813-23 90 W 1843-52 1904 CG

WTT 56 16/10/67

51 0713 CG W 0723-34 95 W 1828-34 1844 CG
52 0732 CG W 0742-51 52 W 1835-40 1850 CG
53 0743 CG W 0753-0805 72 W 1843-52 1904 CG
54 0803 CG W 0813-23 88 W 1851-59 1909 CG

WTT 57 14/10/68
as WTT 57.

WTT 58 26/1/70
as WTT 57, but 51 is 155, 52 is 156, 53 is 157, 54 is 160. 95 is 136, 52 is 121, 72 is 115, 88 is 156.
Train and crew numbers revised to allow for the future provision of programme machine equipment.


Where W is Watford and CG is Croxley Green. Standing time at Watford with start/stable from CG is the origin of the times.

Insofar as I can remember the last Bakerloo from/to Watford was the last of the 4 heading south; there was very little ceremony as the Watfords had gained a reputation for being a millstone around an unwilling neck.

Moreover, the timetable had been reordered that all of them were changeover turns, better to leave Croxley Green empty than occupied.

EDIT: London Road/Neasden - I think.

FURTHER EDIT: If I key in one-way workings to a more southerly depot would that make sense?

The 1938 fleet was in dire straits back then, so I would assume that they kept the trains on until the 59 stock began to enter service a few months later.

Yes, it makes sense that the four northbound Watford's on the last day stabled at Stonebridge. Would have been nice if one of them could have worked to Watford in the evening for ceremonial purposes, then returned south rather than stabling at Croxley Green.

my main interest in starting this thread was because I saw a WTT for the Bakerloo from 1973 on EBay. In case I don't win it, I was getting curious on how the trains and crews were utilized outside the peak.

On behalf of MRFS42:

These are the full Bakerloo WTTs I can lay my hands on.

Bakerloo 1935 14th October #129
Bakerloo 1960 12th September #45
Bakerloo 1964 7th September #52 Sticker saying came in on 12th October
Bakerloo 1965 11th October #54
Bakerloo 1967 16th October #56
Bakerloo 1968 14th October #57
Bakerloo 1970 26th January #58
Bakerloo 1971 3rd May #59
Bakerloo 1974 October #62 Handwritten, Mon - Fri
Bakerloo 1975 March #64 Saturdays
Bakerloo 1975 January #66 Mon - Fri
Bakerloo 1975 May #67 Mon - Fri
Bakerloo 1975 December #68 Mon - Fri
Bakerloo 1976 March #69 Mon - Fri
Bakerloo 1976 August #70 Handwritten, Mon - Fri
Bakerloo 1977 January #72 Saturdays 20 train service
Bakerloo 1977 April #75 Mon - Fri, 40 train peak, startof 1972 stock
Bakerloo 1978 May #77 Mon - Fri
Bakerloo 1979 May #1 First TT after opening of the Jubilee
Bakerloo 1981 November #2
Bakerloo 1982 December #3
Bakerloo 1985 13th May #5
Bakerloo 1986 May #6
Bakerloo 1988 16th May #7
Bakerloo 1988 3rd October #8 stamped up received 13 SEP 1988
Bakerloo 1989 15th May #9
Bakerloo 1989 2nd October #10
Bakerloo 1990 14th May #11
Bakerloo 1991 8th July #12
Bakerloo 1992 11th May #13
Bakerloo 1993 17th May #14
Bakerloo 1994 29th May #15
Bakerloo 1995 24th September #17
Bakerloo 1997 14th July #20
Bakerloo 1997 28th September #21
Bakerloo 1998 27th September #22
Bakerloo 1999 30th May #23
Bakerloo 1999 26th September #24
Bakerloo 2000 24th September #26
Bakerloo 2001 20th May #27
Bakerloo 2001 30th September #28
Bakerloo 2002 2nd June #29
Bakerloo 2003 18th May #30
Bakerloo 2004 12th December #31
Bakerloo 2005 12th June #32
Bakerloo 2005 11th December #33
Bakerloo 2006 10th December #34

Bakerloo 1931 June #unknown - on its way, not seen yet.


This has been a public service wossname by AngelIs.

I'll try and put something reasonable on here to answer your question, otherwise I'll photo-copy one of the TTs from the list above (that will answer your question - a lot of those are actually reduced service Timetable Notices) and post it over to the States.