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Post by greatplum on Sept 14, 2006 11:33:06 GMT
Hi all,
going through Regent's Park station today, I notice they have taken the old tiles down - will these be put up again or will it be 'new' tiles?
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Post by DWS on Sept 14, 2006 11:43:02 GMT
Hi all, going through Regent's Park station today, I notice they have taken the old tiles down - will these be put up again or will it be 'new' tiles? New tiles will be put up
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Post by greatplum on Sept 14, 2006 13:02:58 GMT
That's a shame as the traditional tiles looked fantastic...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2006 13:25:39 GMT
Yes, Regents Park was one of my personal favourites. Hope they don't ruin it.
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Post by Tubeboy on Sept 14, 2006 14:41:14 GMT
I would imagine they will be using modern replicas. I have heard a few times over the years that some factory in Italy produces the tiles for the stations, "heritage" tiles that is. I have heard that they are quite expensive as well. Its worth it. Too much heritage is being lost nowadays, we are fast losing our character.
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Post by version3point1 on Sept 14, 2006 15:00:12 GMT
I completely agree with you there Tubeboy. The Tube's heritage is slowly being washed out with white tiles, metal panelling and, in some cases (like King's Cross), plasterboard. Whilst everybody wants station refurbs to be completed ASAP, this shouldn't be at the expense of the station's character.
I'd rather wait a year or so for something to be done properly, especially if the station's to be re-tiled, rather than wait a whole year to find everything has been rushed in the last 3 months till deadline and the station's been opened half finished anyway, with nothing more than a fresh lick of paint on a couple of handrails and the yellow line.
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Post by Tubeboy on Sept 14, 2006 15:04:30 GMT
I am not TOTALLY against white panels. It is part of Lu design!
Going off thread, design is a divisive topic. Personally, I think it would be a shame if all tower blocks were knocked down. Yes they might not be pretty to look at [some of them at least] but they are an important part of our social history.
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Post by version3point1 on Sept 14, 2006 15:06:26 GMT
I am not TOTALLY against white panels. It is part of Lu design! It kind of killed Oxford Circus though.
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Post by Tubeboy on Sept 14, 2006 15:19:13 GMT
I am going to put my head on the block now!
While a common design approach is good [and Lu are one of the best exponents of this, roundel, tiling etc] Should we not have a wider range of designs. Do all stations have to have heritage tiles? Apart from the modern ones obviously.
The Tube has been in existence for almost 150 years, should not the design/architecture illustrate that? Old alongside the new?
I am sure [like most things in life] people will moan when the white panels are replaced with video panels in say 40 years time.
I love the platforms at Charing Cross, which are featured with characters from English/British history, they are FAIRLY modern, and have just as much right to be displayed as "heritage tiles".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2006 15:23:02 GMT
If they are going to re-furb these stations, keeping heritage is important, but you see the Jubilee extension and you see clean, crisp lines that are as good to the eye as some of the heritage stations. If they are going to get rid of the wonderful heritage features, they need to upgrade them to the best quality they can, with all those features they have on the extension.
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Post by Chris M on Sept 14, 2006 15:58:43 GMT
The best use of the white pannels that I've seen on the network is on the East London Line, particularly Whitechapel, where they host murals.
I agree about the variety comment, having a mixture of architectual styles is a Good Thing. The JLE, with each station built around a common theme (space, light, brushed silver/grey concrete) by different architects is a very good example of this.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2006 15:59:12 GMT
There is also the option of simply hiding them, a la Knightsbridge - which is either a good thing or a bad thing, as a resurgence in heritage feelings amongst the TfL hierarchy can be assuaged by removing the paneling and rehabilitating the stuff underneath.
Embankment is another example of that, IIRC.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2006 16:36:15 GMT
well from what we hear from pjrb we know that at least some of them have some wish to keep the heritage we have on this system.
Take the heritage routes for example, those are an attempt by tfl to do some kind of heritage activity.
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Post by greatplum on Sept 15, 2006 11:16:49 GMT
I think that Regent's Park would be a good case for a 'heritage' station though...
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Post by mandgc on Sept 16, 2006 0:19:18 GMT
A number of, usually, lesser used stations have survived with their original tiling when other buisier stations have required additions and improvements. Surface 'heritage' stations, as well, have suffered the same fate and Edgware comes to mind - it was originally their pride and joy as a Roman Villa and in as much respect as Arnos Grove or Gants Hill were.
We will have progress or modernisation and while Totttenham Court Road is not my cup of tea at least it shows an alternative way of doing things.
How about a list of 'Heritage' Stations and themes for other stations ? For instance -
Arnos Oakwood Cockfosters An example from Edgware, Barnet, GER, District and Met. Lines originals. Half a dozen Leslie Greens. Remaining Gillespie, Gt. Central, etc. Running in signs.
Oh! and the 'Met & Gt. Central' signs above North Harrow entrances, ( if they are still there)
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Post by Chris M on Sept 16, 2006 1:13:02 GMT
Baker Street Circle Line is a good example of how things can be done imho
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Post by Geoffram on Sept 17, 2006 6:59:24 GMT
Interesting question of what constitutes heritage. Regents Park featured the classic Yerkes style of the 1900s/1910s. Then in the 1920s came the great Northern Line extensions with the white tiles with green and blue surrounds for the posters and station names. But in the 1930s, while their architecural side was designing the great Charles Holden stations on the surface, the station platforms went through a very dull phase of using a uniform 'biscuit' coloured tile. Queensway/St.Paul's are two examples. St. John's Wood used these too but at least had some inlaid shields to alleviate the boredom. I think it's a great shame that the recent refurbs at Queensway and Swiss Cottage just renewed (and presumably re-matched) these biscuit tiles. What are they going to do with Shepherd's Bush? A horrible mixture of colours and IIRC, the platform ceilings were decorated in a light blue colour which became black within a few years.
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Post by agoodcuppa on Sept 17, 2006 7:29:28 GMT
Interesting question of what constitutes heritage. It's all "heritage". Whether or not it's good or bad, wanted or not, is in the eye of the beholder. An example of a building that's less than desirable in many people's eyes is Birmingham New Street Signal Box. It was granted "Listed" status because it demonstrates a particular (mercifully short-lived ;D ) style of architecture. tinyurl.com/qfvt2Whilst the Holden plain platform tiles are themselves fairly dull, they were designed as a part of an overall architectural design style that has been applauded as being fit for purpose. They were also designed with the practicalities of daily life on the underground in mind. After all, what's the point of creating a wonderful design only for it to be covered in advertising?
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Post by greatplum on Sept 18, 2006 16:47:27 GMT
Baker Street Circle Line is a good example of how things can be done imho Yes, but having been down there the other day, quite a lot of it is in a bad state of repair!
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Post by greatplum on Apr 3, 2007 13:24:40 GMT
Good news with Regent's Park - I went through there this morning and they are putting up very similar tiles to before!
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Post by compsci on Apr 3, 2007 14:32:13 GMT
It seems that they are trying for a "perfect crime" type refurbishment, which is infinitely preferable to the identical white stations that they have been churning out previously. In a prat of the wall that had not been retiled as yet it seemed that the tiles which needed to be replaced were marked with an X. This suggests that they may not be replacing original tiles which are in good condition. I couldn't see any evidence of the station name mosaics.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2007 14:43:50 GMT
Let us hope they don't start copying the type of work as at Chalk Farm... horrid job.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2007 21:39:16 GMT
I have to say I'm liking the progress at Bethnal Green WB platform. There's replica tiles which stay loyal to the old design but the great thing is, there are two rows of flurocent lighting, coupled with the metal ceiling which reflects plenty of light. Keep the heritage, but one horrid aspect of traditional tube stations are that, they are rather poorly lit. If stations are made as bright as Bethnal Green WB currently is, I'm happy. However, if they skimp on lighting and go back to a single row of flurocent lighting ("greener" this way actually ), bring on the new, KX SSL platform style! ;D Edit: ok, KX is a little extreme but white walls like the lovely ones at CX are necessary to make the stations nice and bright - i.e. "pleasant" in my opinion.
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Post by edb on Apr 3, 2007 21:40:35 GMT
I'd agree that regents park is looking good, though that line has some good work on it. Marylebone and Edgeware Road are excellent examples of good refurbs if you ask me (and you might not be...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2007 0:51:45 GMT
I have to say that Regent's Park is one of my least favourite stations. The design is ok but the colour leaves a lot to be desired! And in defence of Oxford Circus I must say it's great driving through there. The large black panels surrounded by clean, white tile always reminds me of a film strip and several times I've had to come to a sudden stop after admiring the effect for a bit too long! Entering the platform makes for a great bit of video too.
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Post by greatplum on Apr 5, 2007 12:57:43 GMT
I also noiced the orignal tiling with the x's on it... good to see theyaren't completely wasting their money!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2007 18:48:30 GMT
One intersting fact about Regents Park - when it re-opens it won't have a ticket office. Just machines.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2007 19:37:11 GMT
One intersting fact about Regents Park - when it re-opens it won't have a ticket office. Just machines. Well nobody uses it anyway. They are probably not even real ticket machines. ;D
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Post by Ben on Apr 14, 2007 2:17:39 GMT
It would be extremely nice just to have one platform somewhere in original condition with tungsten lamps and no advertising I crave for the sort of environment that various peoples pictures show of the tube in the past. Indeed CSLR has an extremely elloquent description of the appeal that LUL doesnt quite seem to have as much of nowadays in a christmas quiz thread. I'm sure a lot of people would smile being confronted with such a scene. Off topic, but it was twice proposed Regents Park become a junction for a branch to Euston. Maybe it would have had more passengers if this had been constructed?
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Post by Phil on Apr 15, 2007 16:07:18 GMT
One intersting fact about Regents Park - when it re-opens it won't have a ticket office. Just machines. How does that work then? Is it just an experiment coz I can forsee all sorts of problems.
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