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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2006 9:31:47 GMT
Just noticed the Picc has been suspended for the entire morning peak west of Hammersmith!
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Post by Oracle on Nov 29, 2006 9:40:07 GMT
Does that mean pax are going through Barons Court siding and reversal is in the EB fast?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2006 9:51:14 GMT
Yup! And I can't cut away to bash it either! RRRRGGGHHHH!!!!
I heard rumours that it was originally a lack of staff, possibly as a result of a walkout or the signalmen simply not bothering to show up!
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Post by Oracle on Nov 29, 2006 10:03:35 GMT
RRRRGGGHHHH!!!! # 2!!! Last time I did that was on the Auto Tube Rambler, 1980! So how are the Heathrow passengers coping? PICCADILLY LINE: Suspended between Northfields/Rayners Lane and Hammersmith due to signalling systems failure. SEVERE DELAYS on the rest of the line. So, are trains reversing at Northfields EB-WB via siding, depot road or the trailing #-over just east of the station? DISTRICT LINE: Suspended between Turnham and Ealing Broadway due to signalling system failure at Acton Town. SEVERE DELAYS on the rest of the line. Also no Kensington Olympia - Earl's Court service.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2006 10:13:17 GMT
I suspect Picc trains are turning round via the trailing crossover at the east end of the station. Doing it via the depot or the siding would involve changing ends too many times.
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Post by Oracle on Nov 29, 2006 10:16:46 GMT
Shunt without punt-ers?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2006 17:43:17 GMT
I suspect Picc trains are turning round via the trailing crossover at the east end of the station. Doing it via the depot or the siding would involve changing ends too many times. Going from Barons Court W/B to Hammersmith E/B via the siding doesn't involve any changing ends! The train would go straight through the siding and out the other end, then the driver would change ends in the platform at Hammersmith. As all signals are colour light rather than shunt, passengers can be carried. In fact, I don't think there's any other way of doing it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2006 17:52:05 GMT
I suspect Picc trains are turning round via the trailing crossover at the east end of the station. Doing it via the depot or the siding would involve changing ends too many times. Going from Barons Court W/B to Hammersmith E/B via the siding doesn't involve any changing ends! TOK was reffering to Northfields i think....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2006 18:21:29 GMT
Going from Barons Court W/B to Hammersmith E/B via the siding doesn't involve any changing ends! TOK was reffering to Northfields i think.... Correct, I was referring to Oracle's query about Northfields. I am very put out by the fact that I was not able to be around while the Piccs were turning at Hammersmith. Two crossovers AND a reversing siding...... AAAGGGHHHH!!!!
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Post by Oracle on Nov 29, 2006 18:38:26 GMT
pied from uk.transport.london:
What happened this morning was that the signal main [1] fell over at Acton, causing a total loss of signals in the Acton area. There was a night SSO [2] to man the Hammersmith desk so we could reverse trains at Hammersmith (Piccadilly) and run trains to Richmond (District). At about 07:00 the night SSO reached the end of his shift and despite the fact that due to the service disruption no early turn SSOs had arrived for work, he booked off and went home. As we now had no way of reversing anything running west of Arnos (we had about 15 trains at various points in the pipe at that time) A "Code Amber" [3] was put out by the controller and trains worked to platforms and the service suspended. The Picc was reduced to running a two train AG <>CK shuttle between about 07:00 and 07:45 when we got some SSOs in via special taxi to enable us to run some sort of service. That was a 25 train CK <> HAM shuttle and a shuttle (not sure how many trains) NF <> HR. As we had no signalling at Acton, the Rayners branch had no service. This continued until about 10:40 when we got the signal main back enabling us to run a CK <> HR service and a AT <> RL service. Because by now crews were hopelessly out of place and all early turn crews had booked on, this state continued until midday when we started to attempt to recover the service using the afternoon book ons. At about 13:00 my relief arrived at Arnos which is why I'm sitting here sucking on a beer writing this and not sitting on the desk at Arnos with coffee running into an IV and a wild look in my eye. On a personal note I'd like to thank any Picc drivers reading this for their help and assistance this morning, it was much appreciated. Currently top-man award goes to the Arnos night turn driver (rostered book off, round about 06:40) who got stuck up the Rayners branch and due to a series of mischance's, finally managed to get back to Arnos to book off at 12:15 this afternoon.
[1] Signal Main - term used to describe all the various bits of kit that get air and electricity to our signals. [2] SSO - Senior Signal Operator, signalmen that control the Picc west ofTurnpike Lane. [3] "Code Amber" - We have two "Oh Fcuk" general radio broadcasts that the Line Controller can use, "Code Red" means ALL trains, stop right where you are and do not move until you are told to. "Code Amber" means ALL trains run to the next station and do not move until you are told to. This was off Gensheet, and copied of uk.trasport.london. I would add that the efforts undertaken by everyone involved shows to this former Picc commuter and now railway journo, were surely outstanding. Others may disagree but credit where credit is due.And what did happen at Northfields? Shunt via EB trailing #-over to WB fast? Never seen it before!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2006 18:56:38 GMT
I doubt the Line Controllers were amused that the night SSO chose to book off despite the lack of a replacement...
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Post by c5 on Nov 29, 2006 19:08:03 GMT
I doubt the Line Controllers were amused that the night SSO chose to book off despite the lack of a replacement... Dont forget that the SSO was there since 10ish the previous night and is well within their rights to go home to bed, and this is in their Framework Agreement. Train Operators do this quite often and stable their trains in the nearest depot or siding.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2006 19:25:27 GMT
Dont forget that the SSO was there since 10ish the previous night and is well within their rights to go home to bed, and this is in their Framework Agreement. They could end up being worse off if the night SSO stayed, as if he / she was tired, they could have started to make mistakes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2006 20:53:13 GMT
as at 20.53, it has failed again!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2006 22:17:00 GMT
It all kicked off about 0530 just as I was getting off at Acton E/B. Some of the signals lost their aspects. The night turn due to get off behind me 10 minutes after had to sit at the same 'X' signal approaching Acton on the E/B for about 50 minutes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2006 23:42:42 GMT
TOK was reffering to Northfields i think.... Oh, yeah! I would have realised that if I'd thought about it...
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