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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2007 13:53:48 GMT
Ok, no service on the Circle this weekend. Does this mean that the Circle T/Ops get the day off?
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Post by prjb on Jun 10, 2007 14:04:07 GMT
No. They are Circle and Hammersmith Train Operators (they also work the H&C) and will therefore be operating a special timetable today.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2007 14:28:48 GMT
I assume that they are driving the 'extra' H&C trains then. What about the station staff that work on parts of the Circle/District that have no service this weekend?
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Post by prjb on Jun 10, 2007 14:37:10 GMT
They will be assisting with customer enquiries and advising of alternative routes. I would also imagine that booking offices and ticketing facilities will still be available as usual. If there were a replacement bus service (which in this case there isn't!) they would be advising customers of this too.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2007 21:56:09 GMT
I’m not sure if that makes for a good day or bad day for those involved! Victoria appeared a little more chaotic than usual yesterday with half the station shut and everyone having to use the Victoria Line. It seems a little unusual for such a large section of track in the central area to be shut down...?
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Post by citysig on Jun 11, 2007 6:09:37 GMT
Not unusual at all. A similar closure has been occuring on numerous weekends over the past couple of years.
Replacement buses for this closure are not run due to the fact that: a) Most stations involved are interchange stations with the alternative underground routes, or are close in walking terms to such stations b) To run additional buses serving all the intermediate stations would be impractical.
Whilst most weekend engineering work can be inconvenient to passengers (and staff don't forget - we don't live on the job although it can feel like it) it's the best way to get large chunks of our system renewed.
I wouldn't say it makes for either a good or bad day for anyone. Just maybe more of an interesting challenge.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2007 9:59:51 GMT
A challenge it must be! I guess I must have been lucky and mostly missed these things in the past. It’s all in a good cause anyway so I’m sure most reasonable people don’t mind a little disruption in the name of repairs and maintenance. I was just a little curious as to how it affects the staff that work on that section.
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Post by Colin on Jun 11, 2007 12:20:23 GMT
In terms of affecting staff, it is a major headache.
As citysig says, the staff have to travel to work too - and if your station or normal route of travel has no train service, just getting to & from work puts you 'on the back foot' before you even start.
Once at work, we have to make extra announcements to ensure our customers know what's happening - most just don't plan ahead or bother to read the posters, etc. Tourists can be particularly hard work, especially if their English isn't that good.
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Post by prjb on Jun 11, 2007 18:05:58 GMT
It's also worth noting that with the upgrades gathering momentum (on various parts of the network) these sorts of closures are going to become more prevalent for the next few years.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2007 20:46:22 GMT
It's also worth noting that the H&C ran far too many trains. All the drivers and DMT's i spoke too commented on it. Hammersmith had all platforms full most of the time and I found myself stick to stick from Shepherds Bush most of the time. They ran more trains than a) they needed and b) they could cope with. While I understand the "business needs" of the company to make up the mileage by running almost empty trains - something to do with funding and "capacity" but in the meantime you just have sparsely populated trains blocking back left right and centre. There were probably at least 2x more trains running on Sunday on the Hammer branch than we run in the peak Mon-Fri (when us and the punters wouldnt mind a few extra trains). It was ridiculous, needless and annoying.
With the above in mind, it still beat doing circles! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2007 23:15:41 GMT
With the above in mind, it still beat doing circles! ;D ;D ;D I did have a little trip on the H&C and I did spot that trains were arriving before the starter cleared. Anyway, you cant beat a ‘C’ stock for a fun ride! I also had a short trip on the Bakerloo where I was extremely surprised to find that the following train was so close behind that I had only got halfway towards the exit before it arrived. I couldn’t help thinking what happens if the trains bring passengers in faster than they can exit?!?!?
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Post by Colin on Jun 11, 2007 23:52:42 GMT
I couldn’t help thinking what happens if the trains bring passengers in faster than they can exit?!?!? A good question - but easily answered! The station concerned, assuming the staff are 'on the ball', will implement "station control". This can range from doing simple PA's, closing off access to platforms, filtering customers through certain passageways to non stopping trains. It all depends on the station layout, time of day / day of the week, special event, etc. Every station on the LUL network has a congestion control plan - yep, even the likes of Chesham will have one - and this details what should happen at that given location.
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Post by Chris M on Jun 12, 2007 0:00:53 GMT
Presumably it is the responsibility of the station supervisor to decide on what measures are necessary and to implement them in conjunction with the other station staff.
If non-stopping trains is required, who do they get in contact with (line controller?) to instruct the drivers to not stop, and then when to resume normal service when the congestion has cleared/sufficiently eased?
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Post by c5 on Jun 12, 2007 0:08:35 GMT
Presumably it is the responsibility of the station supervisor to decide on what measures are necessary and to implement them in conjunction with the other station staff. If non-stopping trains is required, who do they get in contact with (line controller?) to instruct the drivers to not stop, and then when to resume normal service when the congestion has cleared/sufficiently eased? They should contact the Service Controller to request trains to non-stop. Sometimes this might not be possible (not enough time) so they may have station staff on the platform to tell the operator to continue. In both cases eith Line Control or Station staff should inform the station in the advance and to the rear and the customers at the earliest opportunity.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2007 23:35:30 GMT
This can range from doing simple PA's, closing off access to platforms, filtering customers through certain passageways to non stopping trains. It all depends on the station layout, time of day / day of the week, special event, etc. Every station on the LUL network has a congestion control plan - yep, even the likes of Chesham will have one - and this details what should happen at that given location. A non stopping train at Chesham might be a little problematic. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2007 21:19:10 GMT
or when they shut a terminus for a fire or security alert so you tip out at the westinghouse station and the fire or security alert is deemed unsafe for the punters but they dont mind if the crews still change ends there! also reminds me of the time i was due a relief at ERD and they'd evacuated both station and depot for a fire alert and I had to go round on another Angela. Not happy!
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