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Post by Chris M on Jun 13, 2006 9:49:02 GMT
I've just looked at the realtime disruption map for LU to find that due to communication system problems the District Line is suspended throughout ( : the circle line is only running between Edgware Road and Aldgate via Kings Cross, the H&C is suspended east of Liverpool Street and the Piccadilly has delays throughout (earlier problems). With that much trouble it looks to my outside eyes that the problem is with the central hub of the system - but what happened? I imagine that there is much chaos on the system as a result!
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Post by Tubeboy on Jun 13, 2006 9:52:36 GMT
Defective train radio is the most likely cause.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2006 10:38:56 GMT
Bloody hell! What were they doing at Acton Town last weekend. Engineering works my rear, it sounds more like sabotage!!! Glad I'm not working much this week as I bet this will last throughout the week
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2006 13:54:42 GMT
The Train Radio system is complete and utter rubbish. There's no other word for it. This was one of the major concerns after the 7/7, the fact that many drivers were still happily driving around completely unaware of the situation because the radio was defective.
Now the rules state that if the radio is not working over a section of line, then trains will not run through that affected area in service. In actual fact it's a lot more complicated than that, but suspending the service is the most extreme measure which seems to happen more and more these days.
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Post by Chris M on Jun 13, 2006 13:58:45 GMT
Is someone trying to make a point with the number of suspensions? If so do you think it will work?
*by making a point, I'm interpreting Alan's comments as meaning that there are actions short of suspending the line that could be taken, but which are not being taken in order to impress upon the powers-that-be the seriousness of the situation in terms of concrete "this is happening on a daily/weekly basis and affects the bottom line" rather than "if we get another disaster like 7th July then we might be able to save more lives with a new system", as in my admitedly limited experience, bean counters rarely attach as much importance to opinions about the future by front-line staff as they do to the immediate monetary figures they see. I do not mean that someone is sabotaging the system or that there should be unsafe working.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2006 14:25:37 GMT
Its all the messing around TubeLines and Metronet have done. I wouldn't of thought it possible to mess up something which managed to work fine for 90 years, but I've been proved wrong.
I hope this doesn't carry on and TfL will do something about it before it gets any worse (by worse I mean closing of lines more frequently!).
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Post by Colin on Jun 13, 2006 17:01:01 GMT
Bloody hell! What were they doing at Acton Town last weekend. Engineering works my rear, it sounds more like sabotage!!! There were no engineering works at Acton Town last weekend - all engineering works were between Chiswick Park and West Kensington. Its all the messing around TubeLines and Metronet have done. I wouldn't of thought it possible to mess up something which managed to work fine for 90 years, but I've been proved wrong. I hope this doesn't carry on and TfL will do something about it before it gets any worse (by worse I mean closing of lines more frequently!). Train radio has only existed since the second half of the 1980's. Is someone trying to make a point with the number of suspensions? If so do you think it will work? *by making a point, I'm interpreting Alan's comments as meaning that there are actions short of suspending the line that could be taken, but which are not being taken in order to impress upon the powers-that-be the seriousness of the situation in terms of concrete "this is happening on a daily/weekly basis and affects the bottom line" rather than "if we get another disaster like 7th July then we might be able to save more lives with a new system", as in my admitedly limited experience, bean counters rarely attach as much importance to opinions about the future by front-line staff as they do to the immediate monetary figures they see. I do not mean that someone is sabotaging the system or that there should be unsafe working. The nature of the failure would play a part in waht happens to the service. If it were a partial failure in one small area, trains could be run through empty or more reliable hand helds could be issued. If the failure directly affects the line controllers unit, the whole line is affected - so the only course of action is to suspend the whole service. Short notice service suspensions are never done to 'make a point'. They are done because an unsafe situation exist's -it's that simple.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2006 17:51:25 GMT
Train radio has only existed since the second half of the 1980's. I know that, I'm talking about the system in general
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Post by prjb on Jun 13, 2006 18:32:23 GMT
To clarify, before 7/7 if a sub-surface line had a train radio failure we allowed the trains to continue to operate in passenger service. The thinking behind this was that as it was sub-surface there were no issues with OPO alarms and assistance could be requested by various other methods not available to deep tube lines. In fairness to staff, they had been campaigning against this decision, and some even refused to work on the grounds of safety at one point. Following 7/7 it was identified that radio was a much more important tool than we had anticipated, even on sub-surface lines. Whilst we deny any allegations that the radio hampered rescue operations (IT DID NOT!), our Managing Director took the decision to issue an instruction on how we should operate in the future. As mentioned above, now if we lose a section of the radio system we run empty through that section or utilise a particular type of radio which remains unaffected by the failure. If, as today, we lose the whole system then we suspend the service totally. Yes this is disruptive, yes it is a poor customer service, yes it makes us look completely inefficient, but it ensures that our customers safety is intact - and customer safety is our priority. If it's any consolation, I had a nightmare getting to St James this morning as a result of this suspension!
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Post by setttt on Jun 13, 2006 18:33:08 GMT
Train radio has only existed since the second half of the 1980's. I know that, I'm talking about the system in general Which part of 'the system' exactly?
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Post by cdr113 on Jun 13, 2006 20:26:35 GMT
Train radio has only existed since the second half of the 1980's. I know that, I'm talking about the system in general make yourself more clear then
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