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Post by tubeprune on May 21, 2007 6:21:09 GMT
I'm told that it was very easy to become 'gapped' in the ESLs, for obvious reasons. Indeed it was. The south end of Neasden depot was the favourite. You could even gap a 7-car '38 there if you weren't careful. I expect it's the same for 96 Stock. Sleet locos usually carried their own set of gap leads and, in the days before "Electricity not at Work Act" made running a railway almost impossible, the crews used the leads themselves to get out of trouble. As we are really on a "Sarah" thread, I ought to mention that the old lady got gapped on several occasions, once in Uxbridge sidings with a train of BR stock when I was one of a few "hangers on" who hitched a ride on her in the pretext of having something important to do on an excursion day. I ended up helping with the leads.
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Post by tubeprune on May 21, 2007 6:35:12 GMT
Tubeprune: Well, naturally, now you've loosened the lid on an apparent can of worms, I have to ask! Spill the beans, please. Er, well, Guv, it was like this. We're coming back from Uxbridge in front of the 04.12 Picc staff train and we'd picked up several staff on the way and they are sitting inside the loco on the floor near the resistances to keep warm. Me and my mate are in the cab and, as we approached Sudbury Town doing a fair lick on the downhill, we ran over three detonators. Bang, Bang, Bang, they went - very loud inside the loco it was too. The poor bu**ers sitting inside nearly **** themselves. Me too. It was the first time I'd heard dets. go off. I, being the guard an'all, had to walk forward to the station to find out what was going on. No radios or mobiles then. It was freezing cold. No ice but a sharp wind. It took half an hour to sort out and then I had to walk back. At least I'd taken my old driver's advice and lined the inside of my boots with newspaper to keep my feet warm. I brought back the message to drive "on sight" as far as the outer home at Alperton, in case the "P-Way" had left a rail undone or something. We got home very late that morning.
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Post by Oracle on May 21, 2007 6:47:20 GMT
I ought to mention that the old lady got gapped on several occasions, once in Uxbridge sidings with a train of BR stock when I was one of a few "hangers on" who hitched a ride on her in the pretext of having something important to do on an excursion day. I ended up helping with the leads. The photo appeared in Underground News!
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Post by tubeprune on May 21, 2007 8:10:03 GMT
I ought to mention that the old lady got gapped on several occasions, once in Uxbridge sidings with a train of BR stock when I was one of a few "hangers on" who hitched a ride on her in the pretext of having something important to do on an excursion day. I ended up helping with the leads. The photo appeared in Underground News! Yes - I am the bloke leaning out of the cab door so I could tell the driver when the leads were in place and it was OK to wind up.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2007 20:08:37 GMT
Tubeprune: Well, naturally, now you've loosened the lid on an apparent can of worms, I have to ask! Spill the beans, please. Er, well, Guv, it was like this. We're coming back from Uxbridge in front of the 04.12 Picc staff train and we'd picked up several staff on the way and they are sitting inside the loco on the floor near the resistances to keep warm. Me and my mate are in the cab and, as we approached Sudbury Town doing a fair lick on the downhill, we ran over three detonators. Bang, Bang, Bang, they went - very loud inside the loco it was too. The poor bu**ers sitting inside nearly **** themselves. Me too. It was the first time I'd heard dets. go off. I, being the guard an'all, had to walk forward to the station to find out what was going on. No radios or mobiles then. It was freezing cold. No ice but a sharp wind. It took half an hour to sort out and then I had to walk back. At least I'd taken my old driver's advice and lined the inside of my boots with newspaper to keep my feet warm. I brought back the message to drive "on sight" as far as the outer home at Alperton, in case the "P-Way" had left a rail undone or something. We got home very late that morning. Did you ever find out why there were detonators out?
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Post by Oracle on May 21, 2007 21:10:28 GMT
I brought back the message to drive "on sight" as far as the outer home at Alperton, in case the "P-Way" had left a rail undone or something. We got home very late that morning. I got the impression that that was why...the P-way guys had put them down to warn the staff train driver or anyone else on the road at the time. Perhaps my old friend TP can elucidate if that's not the case? When the last CO/CP Stock train in normal servicewent home for the last time from Ealing Common to the Depot, extended in pax service especially from the Broadway, detonators had been put down ... a load of them...and what a cacophany! We thought that the wheels were going to get damaged!
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2007 15:52:01 GMT
Thanks all for the further info on ESLs and their workings - sounds like they were fascinating beasts!
Cheers, Geoff
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Post by tubeprune on May 22, 2007 17:48:01 GMT
Did you ever find out why there were detonators out? Just protection for a possession which was done in case the sleets ran all night, which we didn't that night. We got a few hours kip!
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Post by mileendfan on May 22, 2007 22:07:30 GMT
Putting the gap leads into operation sound pretty terrifying. 650V DC with the cable in your hands? How exactly were / are they deployed?
Best Wishes to all on this ever interesting forum.
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Post by mandgc on May 22, 2007 23:27:48 GMT
The bogies of the Brake Ends of the 'Steam Stock', normally hauled by the Electric Locos, were fitted with pick up shoes that could be connected by jumper cables to the Loco. I think this was done during the 1914-1918 war to lessen the flashing caused by the loco on entering gaps in the current rails. It would also lessen the number of gaps that could immobilise the Loco. The jumper cables were connected at all times when possible.
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Post by tubeprune on May 23, 2007 6:15:10 GMT
Putting the gap leads into operation sound pretty terrifying. 650V DC with the cable in your hands? How exactly were / are they deployed? The leads are in pairs. One end plugs into the receptacle box provided on the side of each motor car, the other ends each have a metal plate which rests on top of the current rail, one +ve one -ve. The plates have wooden side protectors which help to keep them in place. You have to deploy them so that the train gets power to move but in such a way that it won't run over them! Usually the train only has to move a short distance until it gets its shoes onto the current rails. You have to look first to where they are, particularly -ve, which is difficult to see under the train. Still, it's not difficult or frightening if you are careful. Since pre Electricity at Work Act, we were trained to work on the track with the juice on all the time, it was not an issue. We understood the risks. Points were clipped & scotched with the juice on and blokes used to clean section switches with the current on. They just stood on a rubber mat. I don't know how you would manage gap leads now because, ISTR that the 95/96TS (92, others???) has a detector which stops the train if current goes through the receptacle box and the shoes at the same time. Can anyone confirm or update us on the process, please?
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Post by DWS on May 23, 2007 13:57:39 GMT
96TS does not have a detector that stops the train with shed or gap leads in the train and shoes on the current rails at the same time.
But the TMS will show and sound an alarm.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2007 14:08:57 GMT
20227 is expected to arrive at Ruislip next Tuesday (29th May).
The earliest I would anticipate seeing the familiarisation runs taking place would be the Thursday of that week (31st May).
I imagine there will be a near full week of testing week commencing 4th June.
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Post by tubeprune on May 23, 2007 18:08:46 GMT
96TS does not have a detector that stops the train with shed or gap leads in the train and shoes on the current rails at the same time. But the TMS will show and sound an alarm. OK, thanks DWS, but will the train get an emergency brake if it runs out of the shed with a lead in?
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Post by mileendfan on May 24, 2007 19:57:15 GMT
Thanks for the answers about gap leads. Very interesting.....but I still find the thought of working with those high DC voltages so close to hand somewhat awe inspiring. I've had a couple of bad dreams about walking near electrified track over the years. Out of interest how many properly trained underground workers have accidents with traction current?
I guess it's off topic, but one of the more disturbing jobs I've witnessed was some chaps making a 3 phase connection in a hole in the road. Rubber gloved hands, pouring lead and bitumen and only protected by a rubber matt and a little tent.
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Post by tubeprune on May 24, 2007 20:21:03 GMT
Thanks for the answers about gap leads. Very interesting.....but I still find the thought of working with those high DC voltages so close to hand somewhat awe inspiring. I've had a couple of bad dreams about walking near electrified track over the years. Out of interest how many properly trained underground workers have accidents with traction current? The only one I heard of in the last 45 years was a guard at Cockfosters who dropped his key between cars as he was walking through the train during preparation. He got down onto the track and walked back to the point where he dropped the key and reached between the cars over the +ve rail to pick it up. As he withdrew his arm, a small chain on his watch strap touched the +ve rail and he got a burn round his wrist. He had a couple of weeks off but was otherwise fine.
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Post by Tom on May 24, 2007 21:21:06 GMT
Putting the gap leads into operation sound pretty terrifying. 650V DC with the cable in your hands? How exactly were / are they deployed? The leads are in pairs. One end plugs into the receptacle box provided on the side of each motor car, the other ends each have a metal plate which rests on top of the current rail, one +ve one -ve. The plates have wooden side protectors which help to keep them in place. They're also really heavy and not easy to move around, as I found out as an apprentice when I was sent around the Bakerloo Line meggering them all!
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2007 21:46:31 GMT
kenny everett had you working hard then and i thought gap leads were the job of the train side
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2007 13:24:15 GMT
Rough layout of the days events on June 10th - not being time specific, internal notice etc
ex NDT
HOH just after noon, to Amersham
hours recess
Amersham to Watford via NC (in and out of WF just after 14.00)
back to HOH, detrain around 14.30
to NDT, reverse then back to Rusilip Depot via HOH & RL
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2007 15:16:00 GMT
was looking at the notice myself, its a shame i'll be in thailand that day but i'm sure being in a hamock on a tropical beach with a cold drink in my hand will help make me feel better. why oh why do i only ever signal normal stock(and chilterns water jetter)?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2007 23:36:42 GMT
Surprised it hasn't been mentioned already on here, but SS finally turned out on the test run today (well yesterday now - Fri 1st), albeit a late start of around 80 mins!
I can't remember exactly what it did, but it certainly made it up to Amersham around 13.00 ish and may have gone to Watford at some point in the early afternoon.
Expect it to be out all next week
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Post by gavelex on Jun 2, 2007 7:28:58 GMT
Surprised it hasn't been mentioned already on here, but SS finally turned out on the test run today (well yesterday now - Fri 1st), albeit a late start of around 80 mins! I can't remember exactly what it did, but it certainly made it up to Amersham around 13.00 ish and may have gone to Watford at some point in the early afternoon. Expect it to be out all next week I saw that when I was on the footbridgr over the WCML at Kenton/Northwick Park- will upload the photo when I find my camara... here we go- taken at full digital and optical zoom so quality is not brilliant
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2007 16:34:45 GMT
Sadly i am nights at the moment, but my a friend of mine sent this to me: Seen at Amersham today.......
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2007 16:37:46 GMT
What a Hellfire looking loco
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Post by c5 on Jun 4, 2007 16:39:08 GMT
Sadly i am nights at the moment, but my a friend of mine sent this to me: Seen at Amersham today....... I hope that it's Connect2000 radio works!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2007 16:44:33 GMT
What a Hellfire looking loco Shame my friend didnt get a picture of 20227 on the other end!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2007 23:09:56 GMT
I don't suppose any kind soul would happen to know if there's another test run on Tues 5th June? Sorry for asking but I'm on leave then and the opportunity would be too good to miss.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2007 23:21:39 GMT
Calling JTD, calling JTD...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2007 0:02:52 GMT
I don't suppose any kind soul would happen to know if there's another test run on Tues 5th June? Sorry for asking but I'm on leave then and the opportunity would be too good to miss. I would imagine so, however do not come chasing after me if it doesnt!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2007 12:30:05 GMT
Test run is on today, currently having crisps and sandwiches in RKSS
Sarah and 8327 should be having a little rest 2mrw (Thurs 7th) and won't be coming out to play
They'll be out again on Friday in the last dress rehersal
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