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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2007 18:10:21 GMT
Does anyone know if Metronet might choose to adapt the old freight lift shafts and passageways to provide step-free access between the islands at Harrow, as opposed to simply grafting lift shafts onto the northern ends of the islands and removing the ticket hall and convenience cubbyholes in the station building?
It seems to me that the presence of the lifts on the Chiltern island and the n/b island would make it relatively easy to extend the connecting passageway to the s/b island and construct a third shaft. This way, interchange traffic to and from Marylebone would not have to fight its way up and down the stairs and would get a separate route well away from the ticket hall.
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Post by stanmorek on Mar 9, 2007 19:04:17 GMT
Reuse of the redundant post office lift shafts was looked at but rejected. Firstly they are too small to accommodate the size of lift LU want. Secondly, the subway is too narrow for modern standards for two wheelchair users to pass each other.
Also, LU don't want seperate gate lines so far apart as more station staff are needed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2007 21:45:02 GMT
Why would separate gatelines be needed? The freight lift passage doesn't lead outside the station, and thus would only have been useful for interchanging traffic.
Still, the other reasons make sense, although I always thought that subway was wide enough for two wheelchairs...
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Post by stanmorek on Mar 22, 2007 23:08:32 GMT
Yes of course you are right there only two exits through the ticket hall at the north end of the station. My apologies I got it mixed up with another station!
However, after spending £x million on MIP facilities and major refurbishment, entailing shuting off parts of the station, disrupting operations, weekend closures etc, I think the question as to why wasn't the whole station made fully DDA compliant will be asked. LU would be reluctant to pay for half the job done.
As for the width of subway, it is a little more complicated but generally LU require a minimum 2m width for 2 way passenger flow. In addition to the 2m, the level of usage of the subway passenger flows need to be taken into account.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2007 18:43:53 GMT
However, after spending £x million on MIP facilities and major refurbishment, entailing shuting off parts of the station, disrupting operations, weekend closures etc, I think the question as to why wasn't the whole station made fully DDA compliant will be asked. LU would be reluctant to pay for half the job done. That's why you do it in two stages: first you make interchange-only traffic DDA-accessible, removing most of the existing interchange-only traffic from the footbridge/station building, and then you make entry/exit traffic DDA-accessible, taking advantage of the lessened footfall. As for the width of subway, it is a little more complicated but generally LU require a minimum 2m width for 2 way passenger flow. In addition to the 2m, the level of usage of the subway passenger flows need to be taken into account. Indeed. If most interchange-only traffic went via the subway instead of the footbridge, it might get a little cozy during any works on the footbridge. |
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Post by stanmorek on Mar 24, 2007 11:48:26 GMT
For the reasons given earlier on the size of the existing lift shafts and width of subway, I would expect LU wouldn't want to exchange a long term solution for short term expediency.
One scheme in favour of using the freight lifts was to provide high level links all the way from the ticket hall/footbridge over the platforms. Given this would considerable alter the appearance of the station, the local planning authorities may have something to say. English Heritage have already put their foot down on another Holden-esque station.
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Post by stanmorek on Oct 9, 2007 18:18:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2007 19:32:30 GMT
i think i'm gonna puke it is so fugly! personally as well it affects me i went to harrow college andi work at harrow cabin although we're high up the complex will affect our view maybe even our light intake
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Post by Ben on Oct 19, 2007 20:20:46 GMT
Novel but ghastley. My mother went to Harrow County Girls, which I believe after various incarnations became one of Harrow colleges campuses. Harrow should never have dropped the tri-partite system; the standards have slipped by so much because of it.
Maybe it would be prudent to leave the frieght lifts untouched, just incase rail-freight or post ever makes a comeback?
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