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Post by thc on Apr 2, 2006 16:32:59 GMT
make them clean off their handiwork however long it takes them ... Once they've spent a whole night (sic) cleaning off an hour's work they will certainly think twice next time..... Exactly the kind of punishment that's required although I'd increase it somewhat in magnitude. Substitute "month" or "year" for "night" and we have a deal.  THC |
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Post by version3point1 on Apr 4, 2006 9:18:50 GMT
make them clean off their handiwork however long it takes them ... Once they've spent a whole night (sic) cleaning off an hour's work they will certainly think twice next time..... Exactly the kind of punishment that's required although I'd increase it somewhat in magnitude. Substitute "month" or "year" for "night" and we have a deal. Hear hear. Make it all night shifts until they clean up the mess they've made. Gives them something to do at those anti-social hours too, in case they've thought about terrorising their communities also. Gah. |
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Post by prjb on Apr 4, 2006 20:24:39 GMT
I think that making them clean off there vandalism is a great idea in principal, I'm just not sure it is workable in practice. I certainly think that they should be given a task which would benefit the local communities, such as litter picking out side the stations or even cleaning off graffiti in non-operational areas.
We do have a school liaison department that goes out to local schools and tries to explain the dangers of the railway to younger children. We even have a mobile platform that sits on the back of a small lorry, it folds out and has help points and notices etc. If we can teach these kids at an early age that the railway is a dangerous place and serves a real need in the community (even shapes the community) then we stand a better chance in the future of stopping the problem.
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Post by version3point1 on Apr 5, 2006 20:53:30 GMT
We do have a school liaison department that goes out to local schools and tries to explain the dangers of the railway to younger children. We even have a mobile platform that sits on the back of a small lorry, it folds out and has help points and notices etc. If we can teach these kids at an early age that the railway is a dangerous place and serves a real need in the community (even shapes the community) then we stand a better chance in the future of stopping the problem. I really love this. I have heard about the liaison dept. and their lorry of tricks and I believe that education is a key to cutting down on crime and offences committed on the railway. I strongly agree that it's a wise idea to get these kids in the know from the beginning, but also to try and re-inforce the matters as they stand with young adults also.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2006 21:19:34 GMT
I really love this. I have heard about the liaison dept. and their lorry of tricks and I believe that education is a key to cutting down on crime and offences committed on the railway. I strongly agree that it's a wise idea to get these kids in the know from the beginning, but also to try and re-inforce the matters as they stand with young adults also. It certaonly is good. I have a few pictures of the said lorry if anyone wants to see it, as an I/O mate of mine does a lot of School work. |
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Post by prjb on Apr 5, 2006 21:50:51 GMT
The fact is we are not 'just' a public transport company, London Underground (or it's various different guises over the years) have actually shaped this city and made it what it is. Whole communities have been built around our railway and we need to recognise this or we have lost the battle. I know it sounds a little wishy-washy but it is true, we have to engage the communities we serve and re-inforce the fact that we are a part of their environment. Only then can we start to get them on board and only then can we start to stop all this nonsense. The proof of this effect can be seen at a local level in our operating apprentices, they are so enthusiastic about the railway. LU has taken some young men and women and turned their energy to positive use. It was a travesty when we stopped recruiting apprentices and I think it's great that they are back. You might not believe it MA, but you and your colleagues are the future of our railway. God help us! Just kidding!!  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2006 22:00:28 GMT
Exactly. By involving the communities around the railway, shows them that it is actually part of thier lives, for all they know, thier grandfather might have worked on the system before they were conceived, which is a shame that they are defacing something which, quite possibly, shaped, or formed part of thier lives.
Me, I've always lived for the railway, and public transport. Most of me family worked around the railway, so it only seems right I carry this on.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2006 22:13:28 GMT
You might not believe it MA, but you and your colleagues are the future of our railway. God help us! Just kidding!! Bloomin Heck!  What a thought! Bu you are true, we are the future as we have come on as young people, just like most of the current senior managers. |
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Post by prjb on Apr 6, 2006 21:52:07 GMT
Some of the great managers in our history have come up through the ranks, people still talk about Charlie Cope (God rest his soul) with reverance and he retired long ago and has now sadly passed away. You guys are Railwayman in the true sense and you will end up shaping the future of our system, if you don't then we have failed somewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2006 22:10:42 GMT
You might not believe it MA, but you and your colleagues are the future of our railway. If that is the case , on sunday when i turn up for work i am RESIGNING |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2006 22:13:18 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2006 23:45:52 GMT
we are the future as we have come on as young people, just like most of the current senior managers. alas senior managers are a dying breed, most of the managers that are coming through the grades these days dont have the faintest idea of how to run a railway, |
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Post by prjb on Apr 8, 2006 20:36:58 GMT
Not all, thank goodness. There are still quite a few real railwayman still hanging on in there against the hoards of graduates. There will always be a need for people who know how the railway works just as much as there is a need in a modern organisation for people who have come in from outside. I think (said through gritted teeth! ;D ) that the apprentices satisfy the former requirement quite nicely.
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Post by thc on Apr 9, 2006 11:13:24 GMT
"Hoards" (sic) of graduates? You make it sound as if acquiring an education is a bad thing. (What is it about the English that makes them so suspicious of intellect?) Who's to say that the "hoards" can't quickly pick up the skills necessary to become a "real railwayman"? Or do you only count as a "real" railwayman if you've worked your way up from fireman/shunter/station assistant and around the hordes of (undeserving by implication) graduates? Hmmm...  THC |
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Post by Phil on Apr 9, 2006 13:51:24 GMT
Who's to say that the "hoards" can't quickly pick up the skills necessary to become a "real railwayman"? THC Nothing to do with intellect, everything to do with developing an 'instinct'. Like when it's safe to cross tracks and when it's not. Like what's needed to get a timetable back and what's not. Like what's a priority in a service disruption and what's not. I'm a graduate, but it took me a fair while to become a 'railwayman'. Intellect doesn't come into it - some folks never develop the crucial 'instinct', graduate or not. The point made is valid. Education can never produce a railwayman on its own without other factors |
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Post by agoodcuppa on Apr 9, 2006 13:59:23 GMT
Education can never produce a railwayman on its own without other factors As part of the fad for labelling everything with OTT titles perhaps it could be called "Environment and Task Specific Multi-Sensory Information Enhancement"? Otherwise known as "experience". ;D |
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Post by thc on Apr 9, 2006 14:31:14 GMT
Nothing to do with intellect, everything to do with developing an 'instinct'... The point made is valid. Education can never produce a railwayman on its own without other factors Of course not, but whilst there is obviously no substitute for gaining experience one would expect those with the right skills to assimilate the necessary operational, interpersonal and safety lessons more quickly. This seems to suggest that TfL/LU's graduate recruitment practices and management training programmes need some refining. THC |
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Post by agoodcuppa on Apr 9, 2006 14:40:42 GMT
I can't remember where it was reported, but it was found that academic intelligence and practical intelligence are two different aspects.
Simply because someone is good at studying and learning in an academic environment, it doesn't mean they'll be able to function as well in a practical environment.
When it comes to doing a practical job, there is no substitute for hands on experience.
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Post by prjb on Apr 9, 2006 19:16:40 GMT
"Hoards" (sic) of graduates? You make it sound as if acquiring an education is a bad thing. (What is it about the English that makes them so suspicious of intellect?) Who's to say that the "hoards" can't quickly pick up the skills necessary to become a "real railwayman"? Or do you only count as a "real" railwayman if you've worked your way up from fireman/shunter/station assistant and around the hordes of (undeserving by implication) graduates? Hmmm... THC Wow! Slow down a bit!! 'Hoardes' was reffering to the sheer number of Grads coming through, certainly not any inference that they are in someway inferior. As I said, in a modern organisation you need both, but in recent years we didn't bring in apprentices at all and simply overloaded the system with Grads. There must be a balance. I do not class most Grads as railwayman however, as they pass briefly through the grades and never spend long enough in any operational post to fully appreciate or understand the working practices and more over the culture. Just a personal opinion though. |
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What a thought! Bu you are true, we are the future as we have come on as young people, just like most of the current senior managers.
