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Post by swt458 on Mar 20, 2006 17:20:10 GMT
Does the A stock get cleaned if it is covered in graffiti? I saw one come through croxley covered in graffiti and was unsure whether it was graffitid en route or a while ago  Thanks swt458 |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2006 17:22:39 GMT
Usually all trains are cleaned within 72 hours of graffiti appearing, tho sometimes it can be within 24 hours. If the graffiti is 'offensive', the train is removed from service.
Noticed one 'A' at Uxbridge on Saturday 18th March, absolutely covered end to end, solebar to roofline.
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Post by swt458 on Mar 20, 2006 17:30:02 GMT
yes i must admit i am still offended by a site i once saw which was set up by the thugs and had pictures of trains all different classes and liveries covered to different extents in graffiti a 465 being the most disturbing: covered as you say end to end...  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2006 17:39:51 GMT
think i know the site you mean, since someone at LUL HQ found it, and reported the matter to the Police, the site has had much of its content deleted, after threat of prosecution.
Saw a book once about graffiti, disturbing pictures of whole cars plastered in garish colours from up and down the country. All of them had the 'artists' standing next to their handiwork with some sort of face covering, like a hood and mask thing. I mean, if they are that proud of their handiwork, why not show their faces??? Our fiend is TOX, and despite numerous court appearances for Damaging LU property, he still hasn't learned.
Sorry, had to rant, I really dislike seeing graffiti on our trains...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2006 18:32:11 GMT
The unit was 5714-5715; it was allocated to the Met slow line services and was quite liberally splattered. The reason why it couldn't be fixed was due to the lack of cleaning plant at Ricky South Sidings; Neasden was of course unavailable due to Wembley Park's closure.
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Post by trainopd78 on Mar 21, 2006 15:57:13 GMT
The unit was 5714-5715; it was allocated to the Met slow line services and was quite liberally splattered. The reason why it couldn't be fixed was due to the lack of cleaning plant at Ricky South Sidings; Neasden was of course unavailable due to Wembley Park's closure. Sure you have the correct car numbers as they are C stock car numbers. Hate graffitti with a passion. I think chopping the nozzle finger off persistant offenders would be a good deterrent.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2006 16:12:24 GMT
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Post by swt458 on Mar 21, 2006 19:37:50 GMT
it is just a total disrespect and complete nightmare for any member of the public.
I think that people should be ashamed of themselves.
I once admired some of the more pretty designs made by Graffiti (i cant bare to use the word) 'Artists' do.
However although some may look pretty, you have to remember how serious it is and how illegal for a start.
I do like the suggestion about chopping their fingers off!!!
I also admit out fiends arent as stupid as i once thought!
They target the shiny new trains e.g. the refurb D78 stock and the comfortable A stock.
Its appauling what people get away with
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(i also reccomend that if this post is to continue it is split/moved to another area if that would be ok)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2006 19:43:57 GMT
In a long ago copy of On The Move, the staff magazine, there was an article about a group of vandals that had been caught vandalising trains and buses. The punishment: 300 hours cleaning off the mess they'd created, plus paying money in compensation to the respective operators. A closing paragraph from one of them, said that it's taught him a lesson. From the look at the photo, he was in tears. Oh dear, my heart bleeds [fx: plays scratchy tone on violin in sympathy]
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Post by swt458 on Mar 21, 2006 19:57:28 GMT
To be honest i really doubt that nower days people take notice of warnings from police/ LU staff.
what is the punnishment now for graffiti?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2006 20:02:50 GMT
If you're lucky it's 3 months in a prison, or a fine of upto £2000. 'TOX', the one that gets away all the time, recently had this as punishment, but still carries on applying his handiwork. And, as far as i know, he hasnt paid a penny of the money he owes... GRRR!, If I could get hold of him, I'd make him l... [silenced because this method is immoral].
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2006 20:57:25 GMT
Hate graffitti with a passion. I think chopping the nozzle finger off persistant offenders would be a good deterrent. I love it! As long as it was done with something rusty and blunt ;D The trouble is that magistrates hand out pi$$poor punishments which offenders ignore or don't pay. Remember that 'Not The Nine O'Clock News' sketch - cut their goolies off! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2006 21:10:06 GMT
These are some interesting ideas, Although perhaps would be the time to state that these views are your own and not those of the board... don't want any repercussions do we? I personally agree 'TOX' would definately be upset if he had to do something real as punishment, perhaps painting the side of a ship with a toothbrush is a good idea  ;D |
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Post by Phil on Mar 21, 2006 22:12:46 GMT
All opinions on this forum are always only those of the poster.
However I never realised magistrates in London had got sensible - 300 hours of cleaning off graffiti that took perhaps 2 hours to apply sounds like a much better punishment than either a fine or a token time in prison.
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Post by Colin on Mar 22, 2006 3:08:32 GMT
I hate graffiti as much as anyone else, but like i've said before - in the grand scheme of things, it's not the crime of the century. The punishments of 3 months 'inside', 'community service' or £2000 fines really are the most that can be dished out when you look at comparable crimes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2006 10:25:25 GMT
I hate graffiti as much as anyone else, but like i've said before - in the grand scheme of things, it's not the crime of the century. The punishments of 3 months 'inside', 'community service' or £2000 fines really are the most that can be dished out when you look at comparable crimes. Quite right, and I am sure a lot worse happens on the Tube. This talki about A stock being covered in graffiti, was this over last weekend? As if it was, this is a "normal" occurance, as the trains are outstabled at Rickmansworth, Watford, Uxbridge etc, which makes them a nice target for it. But because they then cannot get back to Neasden (engineering work), they have to run around like it all weekend. |
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Post by swt458 on Mar 22, 2006 19:15:07 GMT
this was last weekend yes
A stock probably all got a bit of it
Although i must say do they not get cleaned anywhere else?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2006 20:39:03 GMT
I hate graffiti as much as anyone else, but like i've said before - in the grand scheme of things, it's not the crime of the century. The punishments of 3 months 'inside', 'community service' or £2000 fines really are the most that can be dished out when you look at comparable crimes. Trouble is that graffiti makes the whole area look rubbish all the time, so it has a disproportionate effect. It just adds to the sense of a place being hopeless and lawless even if in most respects it isn't so bad. |
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Post by mandgc on Mar 22, 2006 23:55:04 GMT
"Do they not get cleaned anywhere else?"
Try running an ammended service probably with fewer trains! I expect the early Ricky passengers didn't complain - they were glad of any train :-)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2006 14:32:03 GMT
"Do they not get cleaned anywhere else?" Try running an ammended service probably with fewer trains! I expect the early Ricky passengers didn't complain - they were glad of any train :-) Met passengers will complain about anything, even if their train is a minute late, I'm sure they did. |
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Post by version3point1 on Mar 29, 2006 20:10:18 GMT
It's a shame that it's not just people who reside in GB that decide to graffiti the Tube. There was a train graffit ibook out some time ago of German origin (it was a 'big' thing in the Art section of Borders at one point) and flicking through it there were a few pictures of 'work' done on the Tube.
I don't know what's so wonderful about having the most god-awful 'tag' sprayed on a train in almost every colour of the rainbow, I mean, how much are these morons actually spending on spray paints to have covered a carriage from top to bottom?
I myself do something called stencil graffiti, but I know where its rightful place is; off the railways and on the canvas!
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Post by DWS on Mar 29, 2006 20:23:26 GMT
It's a shame that it's not just people who reside in GB that decide to graffiti the Tube. There was a train graffit ibook out some time ago of German origin (it was a 'big' thing in the Art section of Borders at one point) and flicking through it there were a few pictures of 'work' done on the Tube. I don't know what's so wonderful about having the most god-awful 'tag' sprayed on a train in almost every colour of the rainbow, I mean, how much are these morons actually spending on spray paints to have covered a carriage from top to bottom? I myself do something called stencil graffiti, but I know where its rightful place is; off the railways and on the canvas! They dont spend money on spray paint, they nick it |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2006 22:16:31 GMT
I myself do something called stencil graffiti, but I know where its rightful place is; off the railways and on the canvas! Too right. Shame they people that like to deface anything in sight do not adopt that theory. I know half the time they are not caught, but when they are they should be made to clean it off..... Theres my thoughts for tonight. [/rant] |
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Post by version3point1 on Mar 30, 2006 12:27:51 GMT
I know half the time they are not caught, but when they are they should be made to clean it off..... I think that's feasable. In a lot of places in London where the 'artist' is caught on the streets, the council give the offenders the equipment to clean up their mess. I don't see why it can't happen on the Tube. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2006 16:33:12 GMT
I think that's feasable. In a lot of places in London where the 'artist' is caught on the streets, the council give the offenders the equipment to clean up their mess. I don't see why it can't happen on the Tube. The trouble is there is one problem; that strange thing called electricity. Even though the majority of "artists" get to places where they seriously endanger their lives to do their work, they wouldnt be able to get there to clean it off, as it would be an infringement of health and safety, unless of course they came along at night to do it....... I think ive answered my own statement!  |
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Post by thc on Apr 2, 2006 9:24:02 GMT
Trouble is that graffiti makes the whole area look rubbish all the time, so it has a disproportionate effect. It just adds to the sense of a place being hopeless and lawless even if in most respects it isn't so bad. It's known as the "broken window effect" where one minor (but visible) crime/offence quickly leads to other more serious offences. Personally I'd introduce Sharia law just for the little bastards and have their hands cut off when they are caught. I'd love to see Tox try to tag whilst holding the marker pen with his teeth. THC |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2006 10:14:38 GMT
Personally I'd introduce Sharia law just for the little bastards and have their hands cut off when they are caught. I'd love to see Tox try to tag whilst holding the marker pen with his teeth. THC Ummm. Isn't that even worse than saying that LU staff should be sacked because trains run late?  |
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Post by thc on Apr 2, 2006 11:59:40 GMT
Sorry, should have made clear I was writing the above with only a little irony. That said, I'd still like to see much more severe penalties for graffiti "artists" than those currently applied, especially to those at the mindless vandalism end of the scale such as the ubiquitous Tox and "Elament" (this particular idiot's trick is to acid-stencil his tag on 'C' stock windows and doors). THC |
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Post by prjb on Apr 2, 2006 14:12:25 GMT
It's a difficult balance really. In recent months, the BTP have been (quite rightly) concentrating on anti-terrorism which has left them stretched for anti-vandalism operations. It's not just about patrolling depots it is the investigation and the evidence gathering that takes up a lot of police resources.
I think the best way to tackle these criminals is to have the train withdrawn and cleaned immediately, this limits the amount of exposure their 'work' actually gets. This would also reduce the negative impression that customers have when they see this sort of vandalism. This zero tolerance approach has worked really well for the New York Subway.
Just on a personal note, I'm not sure we should be chopping peoples hands or fingers off under any circumstances! There are much more abhorrent crimes in our society and we have a judicial process to deal with them all. If we don't agree with the system as it stands, there are democratic processes for implementing change. I know most of the comments were posted in a light hearted manner but we can't very well bawl out someone on another thread for demanding someone get the sack and then sit here saying we should be chopping peoples digits off! LOL!! ;D
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Post by Phil on Apr 2, 2006 14:51:44 GMT
True - but for those caught, to make them clean off their handiwork however long it takes them seems more sensible than a fine or some other community order. Once they've spent a whole night (sic) cleaning off an hour's work they will certainly think twice next time.....
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