Ben
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Post by Ben on Dec 11, 2005 18:38:42 GMT
Greetings to all, I think this is my first post I was wondering what LUL will do with the widened lines once (if) Thameslink 2000 goes ahead, and how they could be used to improve the services on the northern part of the circle? Many thanks, Ben
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2005 18:57:13 GMT
The biggest problem with taking back the Widened Lines east of Farringdon for LU usage is the lack of available space to build a flying junction to connect them to the north circle. If citysig found out that someone wanted a flat junction built east of Farringdon on a 34tph line he would probably go apesh*t.
If space could be found to replace the three carriage sidings at Farringdon then a flying junction might be doable in that area, but it would still be extremely and horrendously expensive.
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Post by q8 on Dec 11, 2005 19:02:53 GMT
First of all Welcome to our little chatshow Benedict. I would agree with TOK that even if the thing were physically possible it would cost the earth moon and stars to do it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2005 19:22:50 GMT
The land will partially be used for Crossrail infrastructure (if it ever gets built).
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Post by stanmorek on Jan 9, 2006 11:09:14 GMT
If I understand correctly someone please explain to me how existing tunnels will be used for Crossrail I've seen two proposals and both will use running lines in new tunnels between Paddington and Liverpool Street. An interesting story I heard about the Widened lines was when the disused Hotel curve was converted into a service diversion tunnel for the Kings Cross Project. During the works archive drawings on its construction (presumably 1860s) were examined by the engineers. These drawings showed rooms built in the tunnel walls with some unusual domed brick structures inside labelled as igloos. On the top of these igloos there were stove pipes that reached above to street level. Apparently sand was passed down these pipes and picked up by gangs of men with shovels and spread onto the rails to improve traction. The track was not only curved but also had a steep gradient. The trains of the day weren't powerful enough and really struggled to get up the curve hence the need to assist it in such a way. The drawing specifications required that each room had to be closed off by a timber doorway of tight fit to keep out the large amounts of coke fumes generated by the locomotives working at maximum to overcome the gradient. It was said that the men would sit in these enclosed rooms waiting for the sound of an approaching train. Before the train arrived they would run out with the sand, deposit it and run back into the room, shutting the door behind them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2006 16:55:31 GMT
If citysig found out that someone wanted a flat junction built east of Farringdon on a 34tph line he would probably go apesh*t. I couldn't help but laugh hysterically! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2006 17:12:31 GMT
If I understand correctly someone please explain to me how existing tunnels will be used for Crossrail I've seen two proposals and both will use running lines in new tunnels between Paddington and Liverpool Street. The existing tunnels won't be used to run Crossrail through. But the site where the Widened Lines exist (Farringdon-Moorgate) will be used for things such as Crossrail construction access, ventilation, and escalator access to the underground platforms.
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Post by stanmorek on Jan 11, 2006 10:15:18 GMT
Thought as much.
Considering that no Act of Parliment has been passed £280 million has already been spent on Crossrail. Nevertheless the utilities survey in connection with Crossrail has begun with ground radar surveys at Paddington station.
I read that the plan for NATM construction of a section under Barbican had to be abandonned because of fears of a cave in under the Barbican Centre. ;D
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