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Oct 31, 2005 12:12:07 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2005 12:12:07 GMT
Well, as citysig predicted a long time ago, it seems that Finchley Road is on its way to becoming fully segregated.
A few months ago, the facing points for MD32 rte 1 were lifted and the nose replaced with plain line; now, the nose of the trailing points on the same crossover have additionally been removed as well. Is this a prelude to deleting the connections between the fast/slow lines at Finchley Road for good, with the object being the segregation of the Jubilee to permit the use of ATP and eventually ATO?
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Oct 31, 2005 12:23:33 GMT
Post by q8 on Oct 31, 2005 12:23:33 GMT
A bloody retrograde step. If they get a bad winter they scream to high heaven for flexibilty. Don't these people have any BRAINS.
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Oct 31, 2005 12:40:55 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2005 12:40:55 GMT
A bloody retrograde step. If they get a bad winter they scream to high heaven for flexibilty. Don't these people have any BRAINS. Not really. There's no need to run Metropolitan trains down the slow lines between Finchley Road and Wembley Park anymore, as the Jubilee service is more than sufficient, even in the early hours of the morning. Only in times of serious disruption would it be useful, and even then I suspect that citysig would rather terminate Met trains on platforms 1 and 6 at Wembley, or platform 4 at Neasden, and send them to depot for reforming. If things were really bad he might also use the crossover at Swiss Cottage. |
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Oct 31, 2005 17:40:57 GMT
Post by q8 on Oct 31, 2005 17:40:57 GMT
Ah yes TOK I see your reasoning. But let me give you a situation. It's snowing like hell and laying and the Wobbly goes tits up with no service north of W Hampstead owing to the conditions as the 'Little Len's" can't cope with them. How ever 'Big Ben' is running a service along that stretch of line on it's own metals and is sailing merrily along past the Wobbly stations where there are folk waiting, freezing, for some trains home.
In the past they would divert a Met over the local to cover as they can deal with snow better. Now they have taken that option away! They have also on rare occasions got a Met to give a stalled tube stock a shove.
PPP. I would not give tuppence for it.
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Oct 31, 2005 18:21:21 GMT
Post by citysig on Oct 31, 2005 18:21:21 GMT
Well, as citysig predicted a long time ago, it seems that Finchley Road is on its way to becoming fully segregated. A few months ago, the facing points for MD32 rte 1 Yes, and I was just being my usual cynical self when I made those predictions. (It's actually MD32 route 2 that's affected  - count from left to right.) Only in times of serious disruption would it be useful, and even then I suspect that citysig would rather terminate Met trains on platforms 1 and 6 at Wembley, or platform 4 at Neasden, and send them to depot for reforming. If things were really bad he might also use the crossover at Swiss Cottage. Well, not just me, but I agree with what you're saying ;D Bad weather, derailment or whatever, the politics of the railway have changed. The simple matter is we don't share lines anymore - and on the whole we don't miss it. Put it this way. The "alternate" route on the southbound is still intact. It is used very infrequently, and normally only as a last resort - which is how it always was before PPP. Even the booked passenger workings were being phased out before PPP. The alternate routes were only ever used to move train-loads of passengers who would otherwise be stranded due to a shutdown or other. Underground lines that are segregated work just as reliably as those with connections. It has been many many years since a policy of "run anything anywhere as long as it gets there" was scrapped. For years there never existed an instant plan for shutdowns which involved using the other line's routes. |
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Oct 31, 2005 19:44:28 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2005 19:44:28 GMT
Well, as citysig predicted a long time ago, it seems that Finchley Road is on its way to becoming fully segregated. A few months ago, the facing points for MD32 rte 1 Yes, and I was just being my usual cynical self when I made those predictions. (It's actually MD32 route 2 that's affected - count from left to right.) Sorry, I use 0-plus C-style array indexing Only in times of serious disruption would it be useful, and even then I suspect that citysig would rather terminate Met trains on platforms 1 and 6 at Wembley, or platform 4 at Neasden, and send them to depot for reforming. If things were really bad he might also use the crossover at Swiss Cottage. Well, not just me, but I agree with what you're saying ;D Oh come on, you like the attention ;D ;D Bad weather, derailment or whatever, the politics of the railway have changed. The simple matter is we don't share lines anymore - and on the whole we don't miss it. Put it this way. The "alternate" route on the southbound is still intact. It is used very infrequently, and normally only as a last resort - which is how it always was before PPP. Even the booked passenger workings were being phased out before PPP. The alternate routes were only ever used to move train-loads of passengers who would otherwise be stranded due to a shutdown or other. Underground lines that are segregated work just as reliably as those with connections. It has been many many years since a policy of "run anything anywhere as long as it gets there" was scrapped. For years there never existed an instant plan for shutdowns which involved using the other line's routes. I wonder if that is still the case over at Earls Court. In some of DD's stories, the Piccadilly service was diverted over the local lines east of Acton, non-stopping stations whilst the District continued to run normally - and this was recent too! Of course, this was before aetearlscourt was turned loose on WD40 B rte 1 |
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Nov 1, 2005 21:27:57 GMT
Post by Colin on Nov 1, 2005 21:27:57 GMT
I would say that District/Picc sharing between Hammersmith & Acton Town is on it's way out too (though again, it's not an everyday occurance anyway) - at least Westbound. As you say, the Picc can't actually get onto the Westbound local. Though the fact that (at least for now) we share the route between Acton Town and Ealing common means we'll never be totally split - who knows what might happen in the future?? Incidently - I have recently travelled on an Eastbound Picc which used the local from Acton Town to Hammersmith - and it stopped at every station!! I don't actually know why this occured (there was no service problem on either the Picc or District) - but it was certainly a novelty  |
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Nov 1, 2005 22:38:09 GMT
Post by Phil on Nov 1, 2005 22:38:09 GMT
Is this a Picc version of District trips to South Harrow  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Nov 3, 2005 7:25:58 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2005 7:25:58 GMT
wd40 at hammersmith does only have the one route it is off the top of my head wd32 rte1 which is affected but this due to the switch layout being the same as camden town so dont blame me
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Nov 3, 2005 9:55:00 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2005 9:55:00 GMT
wd40 at hammersmith does only have the one route it is off the top of my head wd32 rte1 which is affected but this due to the switch layout being the same as camden town so dont blame me Hmmm - perhaps I misread the signal plating, but I was certain that it was WD40 B that had the diverging route to the local line. And what on earth makes you think I'm blaming you? |
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Nov 3, 2005 18:09:08 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2005 18:09:08 GMT
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Nov 3, 2005 19:44:55 GMT
Post by citysig on Nov 3, 2005 19:44:55 GMT
but this due to the switch layout being the same as camden town Those following the story from it's beginnings, will know just how convenient that excuse from management has become |
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Nov 4, 2005 7:13:33 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2005 7:13:33 GMT
found out last night at work that 17a points at hammersmith will be put back in commission hopefully after next weekend when the other switch rail is re-installed next saturday night
info from a p-way chargehand
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Nov 4, 2005 19:42:54 GMT
Post by Tom on Nov 4, 2005 19:42:54 GMT
found out last night at work that 17a points at hammersmith will be put back in commission hopefully after next weekend when the other switch rail is re-installed next saturday night info from a p-way chargehand The design issue went out a few weeks ago; I remember seeing the issue certificate. |
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Nov 6, 2005 13:17:57 GMT
Post by markextube on Nov 6, 2005 13:17:57 GMT
LOl again short sighted decision like the charing cross branch of the jubillee.
If you read the information about what is to happen over the next couple of years by metronet and tublines they are to spend a huge sum on re-installing and expanding the network which were cut because of spending cuts years ago. This it to allow more flexibility they say. This includes re-commissioning old sidings, crossovers and installing new ones......
Finchley road whach this space!
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Nov 6, 2005 13:31:02 GMT
Post by markextube on Nov 6, 2005 13:31:02 GMT
A few more points.
These connections to allow flexibilty between lines were installed and kept for good reason. Yes they most probably are used very rarly but thats not the point.
When they are needed they are really needed and if removed the usual moans of why where they removed etc are voiced with the decision to spent thousands on re- installing them. They might be used every ten years or so but they are very useful!
The problem with the network is that anything no matter how small shuts the line down. If you can share lines, trains then can go around the problem. Isn't that what a railway shoud be about?
We never know what around the corner
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Nov 6, 2005 16:24:59 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2005 16:24:59 GMT
Unfortunately, as citysig said the old way of thinking - "Run trains anywhere you can, even if we break rules doing so" - has since vanished. Besides, the signalling on the Met and Jubilee will be incompatible anyway for no reason other than that the infrastructure was leased to different companies.
Shortsighted? Yep.
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