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Post by markextube on Sept 20, 2005 23:28:51 GMT
Does anybody know why there is an 8 car A stock at Ealing Common depot over the past few days?
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Post by Colin on Sept 21, 2005 1:27:59 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2005 1:50:52 GMT
Does anybody know why there is an 8 car A stock at Ealing Common depot over the past few days? Hmmm, not sure about this at first... But bearing in mind previous 'diversions' of D stock on to other LUL lines (like to South Harrow on the dark-blue railway!), I don't see a problem. IMHO that A stock should fly it's superior crimson flag proudly while residing in this 'foreign' green coloured depot!! ;D ;D
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Post by q8 on Sept 21, 2005 3:42:32 GMT
A stock should fly it's superior crimson flag proudly ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Now this raises a point that's been argued for years. Is the Met line colour 'Crimson' or 'Maroon'?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2005 5:52:05 GMT
A stock should fly it's superior crimson flag proudly ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Now this raises a point that's been argued for years. Is the Met line colour 'Crimson' or 'Maroon'? Here we go......let's just call it a bit of both
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2005 7:49:41 GMT
I think it's Metropolitan Lake
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Post by q8 on Sept 21, 2005 8:15:18 GMT
]I think it's Metropolitan Lake ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Which makes in the 'Crimson' family. Any one want to alter that?
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Post by citysig on Sept 21, 2005 8:42:53 GMT
Now this raises a point that's been argued for years. Is the Met line colour 'Crimson' or 'Maroon'? I would go with maroon, but whatever it is, it's certainly not green, and I agree with Pete, our train should either fly the flag or be sent back. Maybe it's been "train-napped." Someone on our side will receive a ransom demand any day now. That does it. Working Aldgate for a bit today, so will try and snatch one of theirs. We'll coax it into Neasden depot and shut the gate behind it ;D
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2005 10:09:51 GMT
Now this raises a point that's been argued for years. Is the Met line colour 'Crimson' or 'Maroon'? It has to be Metropolitan Maroon!
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Post by q8 on Sept 21, 2005 10:15:36 GMT
And what is wrong with green may I ask? It's a nice restful colour that should relax all that see it. Of the old 'Big Four' railway companies 3 of them had passenger engines in green. Green is also the predominant colour of the dollar and pound so that will please the accountants that ruin (so sorry, spelling mistake) run the railways today.
So I propose that all trains on LUL have a new corporate livery of predominantly white as now but with the blue bits replaced by that lovely green shade so admired by proper District railway fans.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2005 10:48:04 GMT
I propose that all trains on LUL have a new corporate livery of predominantly white as now but with the blue bits replaced by that lovely green shade so admired by proper District railway fans. In 1971, the LT Design Panel proposed (apparently seriously) that Underground trains should have their doors painted in the line colour. The idea got dropped when someone pointed out that stock moved between lines (probably more then than now). If the idea had been adopted, the C stock could have an interesting appearance: each pair of doors could have one door pink and one green, with a broad yellow band. Excellent for the visually handicapped.
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Post by russe on Sept 21, 2005 11:30:19 GMT
I've always felt the key to understanding any colour called "something lake" is not so much the 'something' shade but more about the effect (on perception) of 'lake'. Historically, such a finish was given by applying many coats of varnish, the base colour often being an otherwise drab dark brown, or dark red, or the myriad of combinations of the common earth oxides. The function of a good lake is to deceive the perceiver on the actual colour shade, and impart an impression of great depth and luxuriousness - the eye 'sinks into' the finish. The exploitation of the lake notion in livery was at its peak in the Edwardian era. So I propose that all trains on LUL have a new corporate livery of predominantly white as now but with the blue bits replaced by that lovely green shade so admired by proper District railway fans. Yes! Care to choose a shade, Q8?: website.lineone.net/~earlygen/colour/colour1.html website.lineone.net/~earlygen/colour/colour2.html website.lineone.net/~earlygen/colour/colour3.html
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2005 11:43:11 GMT
Maybe it's been "train-napped." Someone on our side will receive a ransom demand any day now. Send me £10 in used fivers and you can have it back. I'll even drive it back, I know the way ;D
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Post by q8 on Sept 21, 2005 11:44:53 GMT
Well I have had a look at the colour charts and I don't think any of them are near enough to line colours. The Metropolitan Railways was near to Midland Maroon IMHO and the District line colour is historically wrong anyway (as are most of the lines).
Proper District Railway stock was red (darker than bus red) and the doors were a deep crimson colour except for the cars owned by the LMS railway which WERE green. I believe the Central London original colour was a shade of yellow. However although the Met did use lake, a lot of the passenger stock was painted in a woodgrain effect which was quite pleasant to the eye. I can just see in my mind an 'A' stock painted like that.
Perhaps it's time for a grand change and have the lines revert to the colours they started with?
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Post by russe on Sept 21, 2005 12:09:56 GMT
except for the cars owned by the LMS railway which WERE green Wassat, Q8? Cars owned by the LMS? Are we talking LTSR stock? Russ (thread getting somewhat historical now, methinks)
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Post by citysig on Sept 21, 2005 13:49:43 GMT
And what is wrong with green may I ask? Nothing with the colour itself. Some colours conjure up certain feelings or images in some people. Where I work, the colour green conjures up feelings of rage when I send a pink or yellow train on time towards the green and it returns late Send me £10 in used fivers and you can have it back. I'll even drive it back, I know the way ;D That much? They're lovely trains, but I don't think the line could stretch to paying that. After all they've just had to fork out for a new kettle for us. You keep it ;D
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Post by q8 on Sept 21, 2005 14:49:21 GMT
No It's true. There were cars of District Railway stock owned by the LMS after the extension to Upminster in 1932. They were first painted Green then in standard colours with an 'M' on the solebar to aid identification.
See 'Steam to Silver' page 85. There is no reference to colour only ownership. However several of the old drivers in the 60's who had worked on the District for years before the war told me they were originally painted green
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2005 23:13:16 GMT
The reason some District cars were owned by the LMS was that the District ran over LMS lines to Upminster.
Similarly some 38TS were owned by the LNER because the Northern north of East Finchley and the Central north of Leyton and Newbury Park were on LNER lines. They had a plate on their solebar to indicate ownership. (Yes, I know that 38ts never ran on the Central, but the calculations of the required number of 38ts took account of the need to transfer pre-38 stock for the Central extensions.)
It was basically an accounting device.
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Post by russe on Sept 22, 2005 0:02:38 GMT
The reason some District cars were owned by the LMS was that the District ran over LMS lines to Upminster. So why the green livery, rather than LMS maroon? Presumably, the formation of LT in 1933 allowed it to demand the adoption of standardised red? Interesting, but hells bells - 1927 Central stock could have been in mock varnished teak livery - how awful! Russ
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Post by q8 on Sept 22, 2005 6:45:45 GMT
The reason for the green livery was I beleive to easily ascertain ownership. As for the shade of green that was the subject of a discussion in Upminster messroom between three of the old guys. One maintained that it was an olive colour while the other two say it was more like Brunswick Green. All agreed however that it was lined out but in which colour was not mentioned. I never heard the outcome of that
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