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Post by Chris W on Sept 4, 2007 20:45:21 GMT
I took some photos today at Liverpool Street station of both the architecture and of trains turning there.
Whilst asking permission I spoke to a station manager who asked: you're not a trainspotter are you*
From the tone of his voice and what he mentioned (spotters trying the get that one last photo) coupled with the reactions of station staff around him, I got the distinct impression that so-called trainspotters are held in nothing less than contempt by some rail staff.
Personally I can understand his attitude (although IMO its a little too cynical). Some elements of the trainspotter fraternity (of which I was once one) behave in a reckless manner and certainly appear as dropouts and rather sad characters.
Do members agree, disagree and can you relate to his position??
* my answer was to say that I was in a previous incarnation
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Post by emergencybrake on Sept 4, 2007 21:53:57 GMT
Hmm... I guess train spotters does have a negative connotation for some reasons. FOr example, my friends just dont seem to understand why I like trains so much. They say that I should get a life instead of filming trains.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2007 23:05:03 GMT
No offence to people here, but some trainspotters do leave themselves open to ridicule. I'm sure many here would have seen the site ridiculing train and bus spotters, many of them seem to lack personal grooming and hygiene and also social skills.
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Post by Tubeboy on Sept 4, 2007 23:12:33 GMT
I totally agree with Jim. A lot of enthusiasts dont do themselves favours, in reference to their dress, hygiene and behaviour.
Go on a railtour or visit a transport bazaar, and you can see them.
Trainspotters are not hated IMHO, but misunderstood and therefore ridiculed.
I remember reading many years ago, that a significant minority of railway enthusiasts have Asperger's syndrome [mild autism] which affects their social skills. They see things in black or white, while the rest of us can differentiate the two. Similarly, they have obsessive traits...so collecting numbers, tickets etc appeals to their personality. Not a nice condition to have really.
I remember seeing a kid [about 16] at Shoreditch on the last day, and you could tell he was Asperger's, he was obsessed with the history of the line and talked about it in minute detail.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2007 23:26:42 GMT
I agree with Jim and Tubeboy. A lot of them also take it way too seriously, to the extent they will become violent if they're not getting the photo they want for example. I can also see why staff may not like them, as they are usually first to brake laws (using tripods, flash, etc) when it comes to acting out their hobbie, when they should be the ones who know better.
However, I think its just another way of stereotyping in this insecure world we live in today. I imagine most people think train spotters, enthusiasts, etc, are low life's with nothing better to do all day, and it makes them feel better about themselves.
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Post by pakenhamtrain on Sept 5, 2007 4:34:47 GMT
I think they have a bad rap only because of a minority that think the rules are joke and think they can photogrpah anywhere and scream abuse when they are told off from AO's/Station Staff/Police or fined for that matter. On the other side of the fence some rail staff need to know the rules before mouthing off. I've read stories of Staff (Weather it was transit officers, Station Staff, train crew) Claiming that it is against the law to do that or that they have to delete thier photos(to which the reply has sometimes come from railfans "what rule/ regulation are you acting under). There are rules set out for this by the means of (For instance Connex) Permits.
By no means both sides are perfict. But they do need to co-operate with each other. Both sides have a minority that don't know the rules.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2007 5:21:42 GMT
No offence to people here, but some trainspotters do leave themselves open to ridicule. I'm sure many here would have seen the site ridiculing train and bus spotters, many of them seem to lack personal grooming and hygiene and also social skills. .....and put on a hivis and think that that makes it ok to walk off platform ramps and in areas they shouldnt be. So Im sorry guys and gals but I agree that trainspotters make it worse for themselves.
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Post by Tomcakes on Sept 5, 2007 5:37:48 GMT
Some make it worse for themselves, others don't. Not all enthusiasts have strange traits or dress or break safety laws.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2007 8:29:15 GMT
i too have the same problem with friends and family thinking your sad. but id rather go and take pictures of trains etc than getting drunk in the pub every weekend. believe it or not ive been into trains since i was about 6 when my grandad used to build them. he took me to a train show and i was absoulutly amazed. then we moved away so didnt really bother about it again until i met robster. im not as an enthusastic as him but like taking pictues and gradually i learn bit by bit. see when we take pictures we take a few then get on the next train, i once saw a fellow camped out with a stall and flask etc....now to me thats ott.....they do not helpthemselves
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Post by Phil on Sept 5, 2007 10:33:20 GMT
Agreeing with the comments about hygiene/dress etc., there is also the perception about it being pointless (though aircraft spotters seem to escape that one). The concept of writing down numbers just to complete collections really does seem daft except to other control-freaks. Yet, though I'm not a 'spotter' (and with apologies to Colin who knows what's coming ) I would rather spend a whole day on the end of a busy platform than one hour fishing (which to me would feel like a day anyway!). And to repeat something from before: my son was once ridiculed as a 'spotter' of both trains and buses. However, once he set up his website and SELLS (i.e. makes money out of) his photos suddenly he is held in high regard once again. Oh how silly the world can be . Incidentally now if he is challenged when out he styles himself as a 'semi-professional transport photographer'
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Post by jamesb on Sept 5, 2007 15:12:47 GMT
I don't think trainspotters are hated, but liking trains does seem to have an element of 'okkkkkkk you're weird' attached to it. I've used this forum in the computer room at uni and had people laugh at me (who I have never even met before!) as they looked over my shoulder. But I don't care, too much...! BUT I think they are secretly interested too, just in the closet!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2007 20:07:37 GMT
I was , in a rather small way, picke don at school because of my hobbies...
Quite by chance I happened to meet a fellow former class room pupil, whom many years ago claimed I'd never be able to do anything... Quite by chance I happened to be in uniform.
Let us just say, how the tables were turned!!! [in my favour, because he was in the boat he claimed I would be in...]
Of course, nowadays I don't get out and about as often as I used to, which is a good thing I suppose...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2007 20:28:30 GMT
hahaha, oh dear ! I actualy found that rather entertaining. Not exactly stero typical "train spotters" tho, at least they were clearly having fun ...and ...i rather fancy less likely to be bothered by random thugs ! Good luck to them ! Sadly many train staff (and bus staff) do seem to pick up a mess room culture to dislike train spotters and to inhibit their fun if at all possible. Even officaldom finds them soft targets. I'd agree some bus / train spotters don't help themselves for the reasons stated, BUT i even detect derision from posters here ...Don't kid yourselves folks, if your posting or reading on here your a train spotter even if you don't write down numbers !!! I suppose my hobbies were seen as a bit odd whilst i was at school ! I am quiet clear at work that I am a train & bus enthusiast and will jump on anyone critical of such hobbies ! Out and proud Besides all good parents train their kids to become train spotters ... several times a day, every day, I am waved at by children on bridges or platforms. If I see them in time I will always wave back or toot the whistle (provided that will not give a misleading indication elsewhere). On my train driving test i was waved at from a bridge, and the examiner used the secondary whistle to acknowledge ;D ;D ;D Kids love it, and some of us remain big kids !
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2007 21:06:07 GMT
Here she comes... I wanna two tone out of this 'itch... It's a Midland Mainline Valenta... no MTU rubbish.
Right, okay.... [gets FGW to fit automatic radiator blow down port to side of train]
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2007 21:37:25 GMT
I totally agree with aspect's comments. I was an out and proud bus enthusiast when I worked for First Northampton. Most of my colleagues didn't care, or took the p*ss in a good natured way, just the same as they did about other bloke's football teams or whatever. If I was driving one of the more 'senior' members of our fleet, I would often find certain hand gestures made at me when we passed on the road - but it was all just for fun. I would always slow down for a bus photographer, or happily chat to enthusiasts wanting to ride on one of our ex-SBG Leyland Leopards.
My enthusiasm even got me some overtime; type training staff and showing organised visits around the depot.
Regarding LU, when the 38TS was on the Northern Line tour in June, I saw some appaling behaviour from enthusiasts, who had set up tripods at the s/b headwall at Mornington Crescent. One T/Op blasted them with the whistle. As with everything in life, it is the actions of a few that spoil it for the rest of us.
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