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Post by towerman on Jun 23, 2007 21:03:59 GMT
Govia have been given the West Midlands franchise,which includes Silverlink County,Chiltern have been told they can't continue their Birmingham service when the new franchise starts in November.Stagecoach have been given the East Midlands franchise which includes Central and MML,they have promised to re-open Corby Station,introduce a Lincoln-London service and have an additional stopping service to Kettering all by December 2008.This franchise also starts in November.Cross Country & GNER should be announced next week.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2007 21:07:42 GMT
yes, have read that on the BBC website! Very interesting to see Corby re-opened, despite the fact many diversional services pass through the station, or whats left of it from the 1990 re-opening...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2007 21:15:56 GMT
Will the Midland Mainline image be kept? It would be shame to see it go.
It would be shame too if the GNER image disappears, that would probably only happen if Arriva win it as they would want their corporate livery whilst Go-Ahead, Nex and VirginCoach use more appropriate names.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2007 21:17:15 GMT
Think the West Midlads Trains will be a totally different livery... which means new signage, new uniforms, new marketing persona...
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Post by Chris M on Jun 23, 2007 21:24:33 GMT
Will the Midland Mainline image be kept? It would be shame to see it go. It would be shame too if the GNER image disappears, that would probably only happen if Arriva win it as they would want their corporate livery whilst Go-Ahead, Nex and VirginCoach use more appropriate names. If (god forbid) First get their hands on another franchise then the name will go as well. Although they do have slightly better liveries (and they have many) than Arriva. Why will Chiltern not be allowed to continue their Birmingham services? I thought they were a great success story?
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Post by towerman on Jun 23, 2007 21:40:16 GMT
DfT said no.Shame really as it was a good fallback if the WCML was up the spout.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2007 21:42:05 GMT
Silverlink stopped running to Bham New St a while back.. that was a good service, took 2 hours, but quarter of the price of a Virgin turn up and go ticket!
First Midland, First Chiltern... First UKRail...
And it is rumoured that Dutsche Bahn [German Railway company] have bought EWS for the princely sum of £250....
Million!
[thought I'd keep you on tenterhooks there!] Consider for the moment, that in 1999, the class 66's cost that much! This price, includes those same locomotives, plus the 60's and the 67's, as well as all the wagons and the company itself!
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Post by Phil on Jun 23, 2007 22:03:54 GMT
IF the Chiltern to Birmingham bit has been reported accurately it is bound to end up in the courts. Birmingham is not only a legal requirement of the Chiltern franchise, it is a large source of income. To remove that would alter the premium profile significantly. So much so that I wonder if the reporter got the details round his neck......
Edit - having rummaged round a bit, it seems that Chiltern will continue just as they are - what they will NOT get is the LOCAL Birmingham services currently run by Centro, these going to the new franchise.
So it's Stagecoach and Govia. No surprises there then, except once again the size of the premiums both are prepared to pay.
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Post by towerman on Jun 24, 2007 0:01:29 GMT
The strong rumour is that Arriva will get GNER and NX Cross Country.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2007 0:14:56 GMT
I will be very upset to see turquoise trains go up and down the ECML. It's a shame that Stagecoach got the midland mainline as they had an agreement with the GNER management.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2007 9:18:25 GMT
I haven't been on long trips very often but First Great Western high speed was great, while Arriva Trains Wales was nonexistant.
But then...I also go an excellent smooth service on my one journey with 'one' so that says a lot...
Stagecoach...always notorious, that company...
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Post by Tomcakes on Jun 24, 2007 13:45:40 GMT
Arriva. Hmm.
What was wrong with GNER precisely? They had a bit of financial trouble but altogether they were a decent company.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2007 14:45:06 GMT
Aye, GNER is a good TOC in my opinion... I don't know what regular users would say, but from the handful of times I have used the services, I've not had any problems...
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Post by Phil on Jun 24, 2007 15:35:08 GMT
What was wrong with GNER precisely? Solely the inability to double their financial bond when the goalposts were moved after the game started.....
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Post by c5 on Jun 24, 2007 18:44:36 GMT
The people that will get the franchises are the ones that will return the most money back to the Treasury (via the premium) and therefore the farebox.....
...... Except in Scotland of couse - otherwise all the Ministers would lose their seats!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2007 18:13:56 GMT
Aye, GNER is a good TOC in my opinion... I don't know what regular users would say, but from the handful of times I have used the services, I've not had any problems... From my many journeys on GNER would say that GNER are indeed a fine TOC, although their HST's are looking very old and drab. From the local paper, the only mention on the GNER franchise is that I'll have a few more trains calling at Peterborough ;D All I need is a 2330 from KX at weekends and a daily 0500 from Peterborough please
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2007 12:00:19 GMT
Hong Kong's MTR have got the franchise (jointly with Laing) for London Overground. This is very interesting news, and I hope that the MTRs efficiency works in the UK.
It should be noted the the HK MTR runs at over 99.9% reliability, on a modern British designed metro system. A bit different to the infrastructure they will be running on here!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2007 13:02:17 GMT
Hong Kong's MTR have got the franchise (jointly with Laing) for London Overground. This is very interesting news, and I hope that the MTRs efficiency works in the UK. It should be noted the the HK MTR runs at over 99.9% reliability, on a modern British designed metro system. A bit different to the infrastructure they will be running on here! I wonder how much the franchise itself can do. Those near-mythical reliability figures in some Asian countries are usually paired with much higher (past) investment in the infrastructure. I doubt you they can reach the same efficiency on a network where every upgrade has to be done on the cheap and it is held together with tie-wraps and duct tape.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2007 22:47:14 GMT
Hong Kong's MTR have got the franchise (jointly with Laing) for London Overground. This is very interesting news, and I hope that the MTRs efficiency works in the UK. It should be noted the the HK MTR runs at over 99.9% reliability, on a modern British designed metro system. A bit different to the infrastructure they will be running on here! I wonder how much the franchise itself can do. Those near-mythical reliability figures in some Asian countries are usually paired with much higher (past) investment in the infrastructure. I doubt you they can reach the same efficiency on a network where every upgrade has to be done on the cheap and it is held together with tie-wraps and duct tape. Precisely! HK MTR is one of the few profit making metro systems in the world. This is apparently mainly through property investment - such as building a massive housing development above a depot. It will be interesting to see how they fare with a relatively fixed budget.
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Post by tubeprune on Jun 30, 2007 15:39:04 GMT
Precisely! HK MTR is one of the few profit making metro systems in the world. This is apparently mainly through property investment - such as building a massive housing development above a depot. It will be interesting to see how they fare with a relatively fixed budget. There are about 5000 flats above the depot at Kowloon Bay. The land was provided free by the government so the railway made all the profit. The reliability on both MTRC and KCRC is achieved through a management dedicated to improvement. Old systems get replaced quickly and without political interference. For example, Platform Screen Doors were retrofitted to improve safety and reduce on-platform temperatures. Maintenance systems are closely managed and new techniques adopted to improve efficiency. A good relationship is maintained with the media. The traffic levels are such that each train carries 2.5 times the numbers carried in London. Delays are recovered very quickly because the temperatures are so high that passengers would die if they were allowed to sit on a stalled train for an hour like they are in London (although responses are improving here). The staff are highly motivated and management has a free hand to develop new ideas and techniques which prove a benefit to the system. Even the passengers behave better - there are few incidents of drunken crime or robbery, there is no graffiti and there are a couple of suicide attempts a year compared with London's two a week. Why can't we do all this here? Partly culture and partly politics but we could make huge improvements if the management structure was different. Separating the infrastructure from the operator was a big mistake. Finally, in Hong Kong they have a "can do" mentality. Here we have a "can't do" mentality. [takes deep breath after near rant]
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Post by towerman on Jul 10, 2007 19:31:35 GMT
Just an update,Arriva have been awarded the XC franchise,starts November.They're already stating they'll raise fares 3.9% above inflation.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2007 19:43:13 GMT
Big loss for the bearded one - or is he getting the ECML and loses the XC as a result?
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Post by Phil on Jul 10, 2007 21:19:55 GMT
Just an update,Arriva have been awarded the XC franchise,starts November.They're already stating they'll raise fares 3.9% above inflation. So, assuming the Branson (who knows what EVERYTHING costs!) bid the maximum possible premium to still make a profit, since he knows what that franchise costs, are we to assume that Arriva have overbid and will be walking away when the going gets tough? I never thought I'd say this, but BRING BACK THE SRA!!
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