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Post by ttran on Apr 10, 2007 12:15:03 GMT
Just heard on the radio here that in Nottingham or somwehere, driving examiners are having panic buttons installed in their offices due to attacks by learner drivers who fail.
Is this true or was TripleM making up porkies?
Must have some pretty rowdy people learning to drive over there!
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Post by Phil on Apr 10, 2007 13:08:12 GMT
Normally the fail certificate is given to the driver in or near the car - he doesn't usually get to the office after the test. So you can make your own mind up.....
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Post by ttran on Apr 10, 2007 13:20:06 GMT
Cheers for that Phil.
They did say that one learner stood outside an examiner's office and torched stuff, barricading the examiner inside. But yeah, could be a load of tripe...
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Post by Colin on Apr 10, 2007 13:20:11 GMT
Ah but are we talking about the theory test side of things? That is office based (I assume - I've never had to take a theory test).
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Post by ttran on Apr 10, 2007 13:21:41 GMT
Ha how's that for timing Colin!
The guy on the radio wasn't clear about whether 'twas theory or practical, but whatever's more logical in regard to the offices would probably be the answer.
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Post by Tomcakes on Apr 10, 2007 13:43:58 GMT
(I assume - I've never had to take a theory test). How did you get a car license then? I thought the theory test was mandatory?
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Post by Oracle on Apr 10, 2007 14:32:00 GMT
You now have to do a theory test on the Highway Code etc. by way of multiple choices AND PASS AT THE SAME TIME a hazzard perception test. There is a pass mark. The trick in the latter case is to NOT, repeat NOT, double-click the mouse when showing that there is a hazzard. The computer thinks you are cheating and then gives you a nil score. In the Practical Test you have to now do a "Show Me/Tell Me". For instance you have to show where the brake fluid and oil is topped up, and how to check whether the power steering and ABS are working. My daughter took 7 goes to get the Theory/Hazzard Perception passed at the same time...when she was tipped off about the double-clicking that was the answer! She just failed the first Practical Test and sailed through the second with two arguable minor faults.
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Post by Chris M on Apr 10, 2007 18:25:42 GMT
(I assume - I've never had to take a theory test). How did you get a car license then? I thought the theory test was mandatory? It is now, but this has only been the case for around 10 years. When I took my theory test in late 1997 it was done on paper, but two years later when my sister took hers it was computer based. The hazard perception test is much newer still.
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Post by Tomcakes on Apr 10, 2007 18:30:41 GMT
And yet still the vast majority of motorists can't drive properly...
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Post by Chris M on Apr 10, 2007 18:43:24 GMT
The vast majority of motorists did not have to do a theory test, and only a tiny percentage have had to do a hazard perception test.
The problem is that once you have passed your test there is no subsequent examination of your competence. There is no equivalent of an LU train operators' annual test of rules, etc. The only exception to this is if you are involved in an accident, when your driving might be scrutinised, or if you are observed driving very badly. The reliance on speed cameras at the expense of humans is also a factor (imho a very big one). As this is not the rant board, I will refrain from further comment on this though!
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Post by Colin on Apr 10, 2007 23:27:54 GMT
How did you get a car license then? I thought the theory test was mandatory? I passed my car test in 1992 - the theory test didn't exist then EDIT: oops, thinking about it, I did my exams in '92 - I did my car test in 1993 ;D ;D ;D
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Post by trc666 on Apr 11, 2007 0:20:40 GMT
I took my car theory in 2003 at Bournemouth, failed due to having cocked up the hazard perception bit (30 out of 75) though I did OK on the questions (32 out of 35), passed 2nd time though (Q - 30 out of 35 / HP - 59 out of 75) .
Practical was failed twice in Bournemouth (May and August 2004, had 3 serious faults in both and at least 15 minors!!!), then passed with just 2 minor faults at Paisley on September 2nd 2005.
Phil, the certificate (pass or fail) is given inside the car. The examiner will tell you your end result and will hand over the Driving Test Report.
According to statistics, in 2005 there were 858 accidents during driving tests; 90 non-test accidents; 386 near-misses on tests; 33 physical assaults; and 348 verbal assaults. (sourced from DFT)
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Post by Chris M on Apr 11, 2007 0:41:54 GMT
My driving instructor told me of someone who failed their driving test after being involved in an accident, even though it wasn't their fault. They were approaching a stop junction, so naturally they stopped but they were rear-ended by the car following them.
The driver of the car got out and explained that he was sorry, but they didn't think they'd actually stop. The driving examiner apparently simply pointed to the stop sign!
The reason the test was failed apparently was that the car was no longer in roadworthy condition.
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Post by trc666 on Apr 11, 2007 0:44:49 GMT
I thought in that case, a 'None' result would be issued rather than 'Fail' and another driving test would be arranged.
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Post by chris on Apr 11, 2007 10:09:38 GMT
I took my car theory in 2003 at Bournemouth, failed due to having cocked up the hazard perception bit (30 out of 75) though I did OK on the questions (32 out of 35), passed 2nd time though (Q - 30 out of 35 / HP - 59 out of 75) . Practical was failed twice in Bournemouth (May and August 2004, had 3 serious faults in both and at least 15 minors!!!), then passed with just 2 minor faults at Paisley on September 2nd 2005. Phil, the certificate (pass or fail) is given inside the car. The examiner will tell you your end result and will hand over the Driving Test Report. According to statistics, in 2005 there were 858 accidents during driving tests; 90 non-test accidents; 386 near-misses on tests; 33 physical assaults; and 348 verbal assaults. (sourced from DFT)Interesting - everyone fails in Bournemouth!! My brother failed the Bournemouth test, went off to Dorchester and passed fine. Other people have had the same experience! I'm still learning though, but when the day comes i may go straight to Dorchester!
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Post by Oracle on Apr 11, 2007 10:56:34 GMT
1. My daughter took her Theory & HP tests in Southampton firstly. The office is in a horrible office block with no parking handy. There were a humungous amount of screens. So impersonable and daunting. The next time I suggested that we went to Salisbury, which is adjacent to a car park and inside it was wonderful: small office, with personable and helpful people and a much more relaxed atmosphere.
2. Back around 1970 Mrs X was taking her driving test in her husband's car out of the old Isleworth Test Centre in London Road opposite the College. Just the station side of the building is a small residential road, bounded on the left by a high pavement. Rather unusual but it had two or three steps down to the road. Mrs X turned right off London Road to go into the side street, and then overcooked the turn. Basically she missed the aperture between the kerb and centre white lien and overshot, which meant that she drove up the London Road kerb on two wheels, and then proceded to ground the chassis on the high-stepped kerb, with two wheels on the pavement and two wheels on the street! That was it, it was stuck like a stranded whale, causing Mrs X to go into floods of tears! Examiner had to abandon the test immediately and she failed. She then had to tell her hubby what had happened to his lovely car, and get it towed off!
3. Oracle was doing his motorcyle test in January 1972 at age 16 in Isleworth on his Honda C50 (ex-Dad's). In those days you were allowed to ride up to a 250 cc machine. Oracle had to drive round the streets as directed by the examiner and then when required to do so, said examiner stepped into the road as though he was a child, and rider had to stop and not skid. Of course it rained, and then rained, and poor examiner got soaked. Oracle was then invited into the building, and then shuffled off to the broom cupboard to do the Highway Code test! Examiner then said with bitterness, "I am sorry to say you've passed!".
4. Examiner was supervising a motorcycle test around 1970 and told the rider to go round and he would then step out, etc. Rider went round and round and could not see the examiner. He went round again and then came across an ambulance in the road. He stopped just in case, as it was blocking the road. The ambulance men were attending to the examiner, who was on a stretcher. Yes, you guessed it! Examiner stepped out inthe road to halt the candidate rider, only it was another rider who then promptly mowed the poor chap down!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2007 13:36:17 GMT
My friend was Supervisor at Mill Hill test centre; one of the tests was round Staples Corner. Despite many heavy hints, candidates regularly found themselves on the M1, where they would have a nice wait for the instructor to come and drive the car back to the test centre, as the examiner was uninsured to drive the learner car, and the candidate could not drive on the Motorway!
When same friend was in charge of Aylesbury test centre, one of his examiners came out into the waiting room and called out the name of Mrs. (whatever name was). She turned to him and said "actually, it's Lady ....", to which he replied, "Well, you don't look much like a Lady to me!". One complaint later.
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