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Post by c5 on Apr 27, 2006 22:07:35 GMT
Looks like the people that work for a living on weekends won't be too happy as the Tube will be open for an hour later and thus ater in the morning. Perhaps there is an election soon...TfL Press Release - 28 April 2006 * In response to an extensive consultation with London residents, Tube users and other interested parties, London Underground (LU) has announced that from June 2007 the Tube will run later on Friday and Saturday evenings. * Last trains will leave Central London at approximately 0100hrs, half an hour later than the current time of 0030hrs. On Saturday mornings, the first train will start one hour later than at present, arriving in central London at around 0700hrs. * In direct response to feedback during the consultation, LU has not altered Sunday morning services and trains will continue to reach Central London at around 0730hrs. This will minimise the affects on those who use the Tube early at weekends, while maximising the opportunity to run the Tube later on Friday and Saturday. * The later starting time on Saturday morning allows time for essential maintenance to track, trains and signals that can only be carried out when the network shuts down. During the extra opening hours, staffing levels at stations will be maintained the same as today. LU is also working closely with British Transport Police to review policing requirements and to ensure there will be enough officers available to police the Tube during the last half hour. * Alternative transport for customers travelling into Central London and out to Heathrow airport before Tube opening times at weekends does already exist, however, Transport for London (TfL) is working with other transport providers to examine the impact of the new operating hours on other transport services. In particular TfL is assessing whether changes to bus services on Saturday mornings need to be made. The small group of stations which currently close earlier than the others will continue to do so, although this will be half an hour later than they do currently. These include the Bakerloo line north of Queen’s Park, Heathrow Terminal 4, Kensington Olympia, Shoreditch and Cannon Street. * END
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2006 23:07:00 GMT
I *ALWAYS* knew this would come in!
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Post by Phil on Apr 27, 2006 23:11:58 GMT
So the early worker from, say, Oakwood will now have to catch three buses to get to Picc Circus on a Saturday morning?
So along with the rest of the 'improvements' TfL are making, the public service element is being sacrificed for profit on Friday night. It seems a case of 'he who shouts loudest.....'
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2006 23:24:00 GMT
I'm a bit miffed by this as well. I thought TFL would act in the interests of all Londons people, and a good number of those want to get to work/commitments of a weekend. The cleaners will feel this - an early morning office cleaner is not as likely to spew down the side of a train as a late night reveller.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2006 23:25:26 GMT
Not to mention all the SA's who have to finish later on the worst nights of the week.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2006 0:12:26 GMT
I'm a bit miffed that TfL have decided to make a public announcement before even telling the staff! The consultation was simply a mask anyway; Ken Livingston has always wanted trains running later at night, and they would have came in even if the consultation had been 99% against (in my humble opinion).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2006 0:25:48 GMT
they can run for an extra 3 hours if they want , i only do middles ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2006 3:29:50 GMT
they can run for an extra 3 hours if they want , i only do middles ;D ;D ;D The bigger problem is the fact that it will start up later on a Saturday. If they are running 1/2 later why does everything need to start an hour later? There is no logic at all. 0700 into central London on a Saturday - thats rubbish.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2006 4:17:41 GMT
they can run for an extra 3 hours if they want , i only do middles ;D ;D ;D The bigger problem is the fact that it will start up later on a Saturday. If they are running 1/2 later why does everything need to start an hour later? There is no logic at all. 0700 into central London on a Saturday - thats rubbish. There is actually logic in it. LU are taking an extra 30 mins on Friday and Saturday nights from Metronet/Tubelines so they are giving it back oas an hour on Saturday morning.
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Post by Tomcakes on Apr 28, 2006 5:36:53 GMT
It just *happens* to come the week before a local election, doesn't it. One imagines the London Councillors are rather worried and need the general public to see them as "good".
It appears those who want to spend an evening getting drunk are more important than people who need to travel to work.
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Post by agoodcuppa on Apr 28, 2006 6:22:22 GMT
It appears those who want to spend an evening getting drunk are more important than people who need to travel to work. Because one is out for an evening doesn't mean that one is drinking to excess or even drinking at all. Don't forget also that there are probably more people employed and working during the evening who need to get home than there are in the morning heading for work.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2006 6:36:11 GMT
This Saturday, I'm using the tube to get to Heathrow for 6:45am. Under these plans, I would have to get a taxi instad at approx 6 times the price!
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Post by agoodcuppa on Apr 28, 2006 6:42:39 GMT
I would have to get a taxi instad at approx 6 times the price! What about buses?
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Post by Phil on Apr 28, 2006 11:06:00 GMT
Why does our Ken think he's special? Could you imagine the outcry if NR tried to do the same thing? Bob Crowe would be in his element ..(BTW why haven't we heard from Bob on this one: hismembers have to get to work too....) This Saturday, I'm using the tube to get to Heathrow for 6:45am. Under these plans, I would have to get a taxi instad at approx 6 times the price! So the early worker from, say, Oakwood will now have to catch three buses to get to Picc Circus on a Saturday morning? So along with the rest of the 'improvements' TfL are making, the public service element is being sacrificed for profit on Friday night. It seems a case of 'he who shouts loudest.....' How many buses, and how much longer in travel time (not to mention waiting time)? I rest my case (as I'm sure stephenK will want to once he gets to LHR ;D ;D ;D ).
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Post by Tubeboy on Apr 28, 2006 11:24:50 GMT
I knew this would happen! yes alan , it is typical the public find out before us. so more time dealing with drunks and youths on a friday night, and then taking more rubbish on saturday morning with people trying to get to work/airports etc. ken livingstone [ i am not a great fan of his anyway] does what he pleases and b*gger anyone else. I would like to know how this is going to work in practice from a staffing point of view. At my station [and others on the group] there is no overlap on the middle and late turn sa duties, are we going to get an extra few days leave in addition to our 29 [yes 29 not 52] days leave per year. How the standard loved reporting that!
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Post by trainopd78 on Apr 28, 2006 11:56:16 GMT
Most of the people I travel home with on Southern are drunk as skunks on Friday/ Saturday nights and its like travelling with children!!
I really don't relish the thought of getting home at 4AM having to get up at 3AM 23 hours later. It's as though they are purposfully trying to wear the staff out. How the hell can I be alert, safe and well rested under these conditions?!
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Post by Tubeboy on Apr 28, 2006 12:12:26 GMT
The unions are not too happy [nor am i] at least according to london today news. About a year ago i remember bob crowe saying he didnt mind it, so long as there was a negotiated agreement in place.
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Post by agoodcuppa on Apr 28, 2006 12:46:12 GMT
How many buses, and how much longer in travel time (not to mention waiting time)? Doesn't that depend on where he's starting from? Which one?
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Post by Phil on Apr 28, 2006 12:50:54 GMT
Of course, and the heaviest one, respectively ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2006 12:54:56 GMT
I really don't relish the thought of getting home at 4AM having to get up at 3AM 23 hours later. It's as though they are purposfully trying to wear the staff out. How the hell can I be alert, safe and well rested under these conditions?! Live closer to work?! ;D *Sorry* !!
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Post by marty on Apr 28, 2006 16:37:08 GMT
I don´t really mind, I never use the tube before 8.00 in the morning in the weekend nor later then 2200 in the evening whole week!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2006 16:53:59 GMT
I would have to get a taxi instad at approx 6 times the price! What about buses? You are joking arn't you? By tube I can get there in approx 1hour5mins, for approx £2 (on top of Z12 travelcard). By tube and HEX, I can get there in 45-60mins for £15. By bus and HEX, it would take approx 1hour25mins, for £15. By bus it would take at least 2hours35mins (!!!), but at no extra cost. By taxi it would take 45mins, and cost £25. So by cost vs speed, tube is by far the best option.
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Post by agoodcuppa on Apr 28, 2006 17:24:05 GMT
You are joking arn't you? By tube I can get there in approx 1hour5mins, for approx £2 (on top of Z12 travelcard). By tube and HEX, I can get there in 45-60mins for £15. By bus and HEX, it would take approx 1hour25mins, for £15. By bus it would take at least 2hours35mins (!!!), but at no extra cost. By taxi it would take 45mins, and cost £25. So by cost vs speed, tube is by far the best option. But you were complaining that if the idea of not opening the tube until half an hour later (or whatever) were in place now that you would have to use a cab to get to Heathrow at enormous expense. I've simply suggested that buses are a more economical alternative.
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Post by Phil on Apr 28, 2006 18:01:31 GMT
I've simply suggested that buses are a more economical alternative. C'mon mate, if that is your opinion why not suggest walking? Cheaper still and, according to your theory, the extra time doesn't matter. I thought we were discussing sensible alternatives: in stephenK's case it obviously isn't. Roger and out.
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Post by agoodcuppa on Apr 28, 2006 18:27:24 GMT
I've simply suggested that buses are a more economical alternative. C'mon mate, if that is your opinion why not suggest walking? Cheaper still and, according to your theory, the extra time doesn't matter. What a shame that there's always someone who has to go to an extreme .... Since we don't know where he's starting from we can't comment can we? Agreed, that the underground is the most convenient, but that (in this hypothetical situation) isn't available. Assuming, for the sake of discussion, that stephenK is starting from Finsbury Park the Piccadilly Line takes an hour and three minutes and he has to be on the first train leaving at 05:29 and arriving at Heathrow at 06:32. By bus he needs to catch the N29 at 04:55 to Trafalgar Square and change there to the N9 which takes him directly to Heathrow arriving at 06:31. I make that about an extra 33 minutes. How is that "not sensible"?
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Post by trainopd78 on Apr 28, 2006 19:17:48 GMT
I really don't relish the thought of getting home at 4AM having to get up at 3AM 23 hours later. It's as though they are purposfully trying to wear the staff out. How the hell can I be alert, safe and well rested under these conditions?! Live closer to work?! ;D *Sorry* !! I moved out as far as I did as I couldn't afford to by a property in my then home town of Croydon (South Norwood). Not only that, the area has gone so far downhill that I now worry for my safety travelling there at such an early hour. I no longer feel safe in the area that was my old stomping ground. Quality of life and peoples attitudes (much nicer here) is why I moved out. Even when I lived in South Norwood it could take an hour an a half to get home that time of night, so moving out has realistically added 15 to 20 mins to my journey at most. This will inconvenience a lot of drivers, especially at Earls Court depot as there is zero parking for us, so we have to rely on night buses and the staff taxis's which don't always connect with that many of our stablers as things stand. As for station and other train staff, a lot of them have to travel for their jobs. A lot of Acton T/Ops and central London CSA's live out at the east end but are rostered to work at Acton and stations like Earl's Court and South Ken.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2006 23:48:21 GMT
So along with the rest of the 'improvements' TfL are making, the public service element is being sacrificed for profit on Friday night. What profit on Friday night? Do you seriously think there will be ticket checks and barriers in operation at midnight? This is purely political, absolutely no revenue in it.
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Post by towerman on Apr 29, 2006 5:36:10 GMT
I can't understand the mentality of going so far from home just to get drunk,if I knew I was going to get "rat arsed" I went somewhere where I could walk/crawl home from.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2006 7:44:27 GMT
I can't understand the mentality of going so far from home just to get drunk,if I knew I was going to get "rat arsed" I went somewhere where I could walk/crawl home from. If your intention was to get rat arsed why not drink at home, that would save the walk/crawl home!
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