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Post by c5 on Apr 14, 2006 4:43:50 GMT
Some lines have their own logos, the Bakerloo has their Elephant, the Northern an Archer, the Met and District have a coat of arms. I was wondering (as you do on nights ) what the logos are for the other lines and how did they originate.... Any one here know?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2006 11:45:25 GMT
isn't the central line an old money twopenny piece? (2d)
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Post by CSLR on Apr 14, 2006 11:54:54 GMT
isn't the central line an old money twopenny piece? (2d) I would like to get my hands on one of those, If genuine, it would probably be even more valuable than a 1933 penny. For those who are uncertain what we are talking about, the old currency jumped from one penny to three-pence (pronounced 'throop-ence'). The 2p coin only came in with decimalisation. In the case of the 1933 penny (note the LPTB connection) only six were ever minted, although some sources say that this might actually be seven.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2006 11:55:28 GMT
Sort of right, it was known as "The Twopenny Tube"
(Two old pennies) ;D
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Post by Ben on Apr 14, 2006 13:38:01 GMT
What ever the logos are; I do think they aren't displayed as much as they should be; like on car line diagrams etc.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2006 13:45:50 GMT
Didn't the 59's have a 'Northern Archer' displayed somewhere on them in their time on that line?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2006 13:49:49 GMT
Didn't the 59's have a 'Northern Archer' displayed somewhere on them in their time on that line? You're right Alex, an archer was displayed on the front corner of the motormans cab.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2006 13:51:46 GMT
You're right Alex, an archer was displayed on the front corner of the leading car. I knew it was somehere like that! I'm trying to find a pic of one so I can link it. I know that A60's used to have the Met crest on them, do they still have them? EDIT: Or rather, some A stock trains had them, again, I can't find a pic at the moment
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2006 13:55:50 GMT
I know that A60's used to have the Met crest on them, do they still have them? Alas, not since the refurb.
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Post by c5 on Apr 14, 2006 14:31:51 GMT
The A's still have the Met crest on. Though I think only the 4 car sets like those used on the Chesham Shuttle and East London. I can't recall whether or not they are at both the A and D end, or just the A. I know that A60's used to have the Met crest on them, do they still have them? Alas, not since the refurb.
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Post by c5 on Apr 14, 2006 14:34:33 GMT
You're right, seeing as the company have gone back to individual line management, this would be good. They are still used a lot in internal documents like duty books. What ever the logos are; I do think they aren't displayed as much as they should be; like on car line diagrams etc.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2006 14:46:41 GMT
The A's still have the Met crest on. Though I think only the 4 car sets like those used on the Chesham Shuttle and East London. I can't recall whether or not they are at both the A and D end, or just the A. That's interesting, I wonder if any of our forum photographers would like to snap them and post them.
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Post by CSLR on Apr 14, 2006 14:58:44 GMT
Dennis has reminded me that the old 3p piece that I mentioned in a previous post was often referred to as a 'throop-enny bit' (phonetic interpretation). It was originally a little silver coin that was changed in the 1940s to a rather unusual 12 sided nickel-brass design before being withdrawn in 1971.
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Post by CSLR on Apr 14, 2006 15:01:19 GMT
Has anyone mentioned that the Northern Line archer logo is based on the statues at East Finchley station?
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Post by CSLR on Apr 14, 2006 15:11:00 GMT
Several of the lines that now form the Underground did have coats of arms that were used on occasions. For me, the most impressive and colourful was that of the Metropolitan Railway. The C&SLR used one at various times. It was never very well drawn and it underwent several changes during its lifetime. A carved version can still be seen above a doorway that led to the company offices at Moorgate station. The last time that this logo was used officially was on the back of the high-visibility jackets that were worn by staff involved in the 1990 Tube Centenary celebrations and on a brass token carried on the Morden station - Morden depot shuttle.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2006 15:54:08 GMT
Has anyone mentioned that the Northern Line archer logo is based on the statues at East Finchley station? I have seen the statues and wondered what the significance was with the Northern Line.
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Post by CSLR on Apr 14, 2006 15:55:10 GMT
Speaking of coins (which we were further back up this thread, and which was on-topic), does anyone know which tube station has the same name as an English coin that ceased to be legal tender a long time ago?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2006 17:13:54 GMT
Speaking of coins (which we were further back up this thread, and which was on-topic), does anyone know which tube station has the same name as an English coin that ceased to be legal tender a long time ago? There was a coin named Angel 1464-1642
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Post by CSLR on Apr 14, 2006 19:00:20 GMT
There was a coin named Angel 1464-1642 There was indeed. I knew I would think of an easy question one day. Bearing in mind what they did to the Angel platform in the 1990s, there was another coin appropriately named a Half Angel.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2006 20:23:20 GMT
I didn't know the archer was the official logo for the Northern Line - I saw it a fair bit on Northern Line documents, and thought it was just an image pulled off the internet!
I have also seen the crests on the Met trains, which gives it a unique identifier.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2006 20:41:02 GMT
For those interested, here is Mr. Aumonier's archer: Unveiled in 1940, is the only 3-dimensional statue on the underground.
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Post by CSLR on Apr 14, 2006 20:53:52 GMT
The East Finchley archer is meant to be an ancient game hunter and was chosen for two reasons:- 1. Finchley is on the edge of what was the Royal Forest of Enfield. 2. It symbolises speed and precision - note: that he appears to be firing his arrow along the railway track.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2006 20:59:13 GMT
You forgot Number 3: The archer is supposed to be aiming at the Satyr of Crouch End.
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Post by CSLR on Apr 14, 2006 22:54:21 GMT
While commenting on the East Finchley Archer, it is worth noting that it was planned as one of a series of statues commissioned by LT. Highgate was supposed to have a statue of Dick Whittington and his feline friend, but with the onset of war and the abandonment of the Northern Heights project, it never materialised. We may speculate that, if that statue had been delivered before 'Archie', the Northern Line may have ended up adopting a moggie as its logo.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2006 1:05:40 GMT
While commenting on the East Finchley Archer, it is worth noting that it was planned as one of a series of statues commissioned by LT. Highgate was supposed to have a statue of Dick Whittington and his feline friend, but with the onset of war and the abandonment of the Northern Heights project, it never materialised. We may speculate that, if that statue had been delivered before 'Archie', the Northern Line may have ended up adopting a moggie as its logo. Yes, that statue was intended to be on top of the escalator entrance building on Archway Road (the one going up from the booking hall). In the event, that escalator was not installed until around 1957, and then in strictly utalitarian style. It was all part of Frank Pick's aim of enriching the cultural environment of London, like the carvings on 55 Broadway. The intention was that travellers along the A1 would see two excellent modern statues at Highgate and E Finchley. (And before someone says that A1 does not pass EF, what is now A1000 was then A1.)
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Post by mandgc on Apr 15, 2006 5:12:30 GMT
I don't suppose anyone could find fault with the Archer or Dick Whittington, unlike Pick's earlier attempt at 'enrichment' - the statues on 55 Broadway, one of which had to be made more 'respectable' after complaints.
Holden & Co. had to promise not to let Henry Moore anywhere near the Senate House whilst they designed it !
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2006 5:20:14 GMT
I didn't know the archer was the official logo for the Northern Line - I saw it a fair bit on Northern Line documents, and thought it was just an image pulled off the internet! Is this still used on the cover of the East Finchley duty book? It was a few years ago.
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Post by CSLR on Apr 15, 2006 10:22:12 GMT
I don't suppose anyone could find fault with the Archer or Dick Whittington, unlike Pick's earlier attempt at 'enrichment' - the statues on 55 Broadway, one of which had to be made more 'respectable' after complaints. To be technically correct, the 'statues' at 55 Broadway are actually 'reliefs'. As David pointed out, the East Finchley Archer has the honour of being the only real statue on the London's Underground. As a matter of interest, Archie's sculptor (Eric Aumonier) also contributed to the relief work at 55. By one of those strange twists of fate, Aumonier went on to work on a series of statues of famous people that stood alongside something resembling an escalator in the 1946 David Niven film called...(wait for it)... The Archers.
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